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Post by Eeyorelover22 on Dec 9, 2023 12:44:20 GMT -5
I’m all for driving RR resales down  I still want to buy there. Probably won’t though but I think if the prices came down even more, I would. |
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Dec 9, 2023 13:55:15 GMT -5
I think changing the points charts all the way around will pose a problem with previous Poly owners. It’s enough that you have to sweat out any changes from year to year, but to totally revise the charts? Wow.
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Dec 9, 2023 14:00:49 GMT -5
Just read over on the DIS that a poster got a call from their DVC sales rep stating starting price for direct sales for PVB will be $250/pt!! They also confirmed same association. Let’s hope they are wrong about that starting price.
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Post by robbie on Dec 9, 2023 15:13:52 GMT -5
I though I already did?
But sure, I'm bored.
First, I don't actually think, know, or care at this point what direction they end up going.
My wife has points at the current poly, so the same association doesn't really hurt us. I just won't buy more points there.
They didn't make a firm statement. A firm statement would have been something like, "We are doing this, the new tower will be, etc.
If they wanted to make a statement, they would have done it on their terms.. and the guides would know and be able to discuss it.
What they said amounts to "until something changes" or "the tower is built at the poly". or until market research tells us otherwise....
Nothing Chang said prevents them from changing course here.
How can you say "our current plan is" doesn't amount to an IF
Every couple that gets married gets married with the "current plan to be married forever"..... about 50 percent of those change their plan....
It could be a very good way to do market research, I'm sure that DVC, the guides, and Chang have all gotten a boatload of emails since the statement....
Disney isn't about to go through chapter 7, but I'm sure they want to sell this property out sooner rather than later.
I did not comment on direct points at RR; as you pointed out, it will drive the resale price of Riviera down, I already have two blue cards.... so I'll buy Riviera point resale
instead, happily only use the point at Riviera.
I may do the same at Bay Lake too.
By my math, I should be able to get the same number of points at both RIV and BLT for less than I wanted to spend at the new poly....
I fully admit, I could be completely wrong, and that's cool, but something just doesn't add up here. This announcement just doesn't seem Disney-like
Hope that helps
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Post by robbie on Dec 9, 2023 15:15:00 GMT -5
I’m all for driving RR resales down I still want to buy there. Probably won’t though but I think if the prices came down even more, I would. I usually rent point there, and if the new tower will in fact be the same association, than I will have a. lot more.... |
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Post by robbie on Dec 9, 2023 15:16:17 GMT -5
Just read over on the DIS that a poster got a call from their DVC sales rep stating starting price for direct sales for PVB will be $250/pt!! They also confirmed same association. Let’s hope they are wrong about that starting price. That interesting, just spoke with my guide and he said don't beleive the internet nothing had been released |
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Post by helenabear on Dec 9, 2023 16:53:09 GMT -5
I though I already did? But sure, I'm bored. First, I don't actually think, know, or care at this point what direction they end up going. My wife has points at the current poly, so the same association doesn't really hurt us. I just won't buy more points there. They didn't make a firm statement. A firm statement would have been something like, "We are doing this, the new tower will be, etc. If they wanted to make a statement, they would have done it on their terms.. and the guides would know and be able to discuss it. What they said amounts to "until something changes" or "the tower is built at the poly". or until market research tells us otherwise.... Nothing Chang said prevents them from changing course here. How can you say "our current plan is" doesn't amount to an IF Every couple that gets married gets married with the "current plan to be married forever"..... about 50 percent of those change their plan.... It could be a very good way to do market research, I'm sure that DVC, the guides, and Chang have all gotten a boatload of emails since the statement.... Disney isn't about to go through chapter 7, but I'm sure they want to sell this property out sooner rather than later. I did not comment on direct points at RR; as you pointed out, it will drive the resale price of Riviera down, I already have two blue cards.... so I'll buy Riviera point resale instead, happily only use the point at Riviera. I may do the same at Bay Lake too. By my math, I should be able to get the same number of points at both RIV and BLT for less than I wanted to spend at the new poly.... I fully admit, I could be completely wrong, and that's cool, but something just doesn't add up here. This announcement just doesn't seem Disney-like Hope that helps Here's the thing, they stated it. No one from Disney refuted it. That's how it went so no need to keep doing conspiracy thoughts behind it. Announcing at condo association meetings is extremely Disney like. Just read over on the DIS that a poster got a call from their DVC sales rep stating starting price for direct sales for PVB will be $250/pt!! They also confirmed same association. Let’s hope they are wrong about that starting price. I questioned the price honestly. I do believe guides will start saying yes as of right now we are told it is going to be same association, but we don't have pricing. I would assume it will go for similar to whatever the new unsold-out resorts go for. I told mine to call me when it goes on sale, but I still have a lot of thinking to do. |
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Post by helenabear on Dec 9, 2023 16:57:22 GMT -5
I think changing the points charts all the way around will pose a problem with previous Poly owners. It’s enough that you have to sweat out any changes from year to year, but to totally revise the charts? Wow. I don't think we'll see big point changes tbh. I think many changes they made were in preparation for the expansion too over the last few years. I'm not worried at all honestly. Well I'm worried my point guesses will be wrong and I'll need way more points 🤣 |
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Post by robbie on Dec 9, 2023 17:04:38 GMT -5
I though I already did? But sure, I'm bored. First, I don't actually think, know, or care at this point what direction they end up going. My wife has points at the current poly, so the same association doesn't really hurt us. I just won't buy more points there. They didn't make a firm statement. A firm statement would have been something like, "We are doing this, the new tower will be, etc. If they wanted to make a statement, they would have done it on their terms.. and the guides would know and be able to discuss it. What they said amounts to "until something changes" or "the tower is built at the poly". or until market research tells us otherwise.... Nothing Chang said prevents them from changing course here. How can you say "our current plan is" doesn't amount to an IF Every couple that gets married gets married with the "current plan to be married forever"..... about 50 percent of those change their plan.... It could be a very good way to do market research, I'm sure that DVC, the guides, and Chang have all gotten a boatload of emails since the statement.... Disney isn't about to go through chapter 7, but I'm sure they want to sell this property out sooner rather than later. I did not comment on direct points at RR; as you pointed out, it will drive the resale price of Riviera down, I already have two blue cards.... so I'll buy Riviera point resale instead, happily only use the point at Riviera. I may do the same at Bay Lake too. By my math, I should be able to get the same number of points at both RIV and BLT for less than I wanted to spend at the new poly.... I fully admit, I could be completely wrong, and that's cool, but something just doesn't add up here. This announcement just doesn't seem Disney-like Hope that helps Here's the thing, they stated it. No one from Disney refuted it. That's how it went so no need to keep doing conspiracy thoughts behind it. Announcing at condo association meetings is extremely Disney like. Just read over on the DIS that a poster got a call from their DVC sales rep stating starting price for direct sales for PVB will be $250/pt!! They also confirmed same association. Let’s hope they are wrong about that starting price. I questioned the price honestly. I do believe guides will start saying yes as of right now we are told it is going to be same association, but we don't have pricing. I would assume it will go for similar to whatever the new unsold-out resorts go for. I told mine to call me when it goes on sale, but I still have a lot of thinking to do. Just spoke to the Guide, he was very clear to indicate the AS OF RIGHT NOW, and add that might change.... And Disney doesn't have to Refute a statement that says, we may change our mind, there is nothing to refute until they make the POS... As far as the $250 per point..... I would check the unit number.... I would be willing to bet that is for a unit in the long houses |
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Post by helenabear on Dec 9, 2023 19:09:39 GMT -5
Here's the thing, they stated it. No one from Disney refuted it. That's how it went so no need to keep doing conspiracy thoughts behind it. Announcing at condo association meetings is extremely Disney like. I questioned the price honestly. I do believe guides will start saying yes as of right now we are told it is going to be same association, but we don't have pricing. I would assume it will go for similar to whatever the new unsold-out resorts go for. I told mine to call me when it goes on sale, but I still have a lot of thinking to do. Just spoke to the Guide, he was very clear to indicate the AS OF RIGHT NOW, and add that might change.... And Disney doesn't have to Refute a statement that says, we may change our mind, there is nothing to refute until they make the POS... As far as the $250 per point..... I would check the unit number.... I would be willing to bet that is for a unit in the long houses Right so now we are in agreement. They are confirming this is same association. Glad to see that Guides are confirming the announcement. They've speculated and had to backtrack on that, but not confirmed. Now they are! Only some crazy thing would make it change (and I promise you this huge if you keep harping on ain't happening, it's a CYA in case something crazy does legally) They have been editing the POS off and on likely in preparation for the expansion work that will take place before they actually put the points on sale. This article from I think 5 months ago showed reasons why some thought same association though there were other reasons. A few have ignored them, but as a whole we had signs. dvcfan.com/2023/05/04/five-speculative-reasons-the-polynesian-tower-could-join-the-existing-association/Long houses? Those are the names for all the buildings whether DVC or standard resort rooms & suites (Tuvalu, Figi, Aotearoa, Tonga, Hawaii, Samoa, Niue, Rarotonga then DVC's Tokelau, Pago Pago & Moorea). DVC consists of those 3 and then Bora Bora bungalows. Current direct price for PVB is currently $250. I expect it to drop like VGF did once it's no longer "sold out" |
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Post by robbie on Dec 9, 2023 19:33:41 GMT -5
well kinda,
with an even bigger disclaimer
so not really,
and yes, the only points that are available are at units that are in Tokelau, Pago Pago, or Moorea
But whatever, you want to be right, that's cool
Your sandbox
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Post by helenabear on Dec 9, 2023 19:52:09 GMT -5
well kinda, with an even bigger disclaimer so not really, and yes, the only points that are available are at units that are in Tokelau, Pago Pago, or Moorea But whatever, you want to be right, that's cool Your sandbox My sandbox? Not my forum, just help run it. Nothing else. This is now getting to a level I am not wanting to go. You seem upset about this which isn't my intent. It's not my words that were said. I'm just going with what we were told. You can believe or not. But I'm not here to be rude and argue about it. As an FYI also Bora Bora Bungalows are part of PVB. My ownership I think technically is Bora Bora, Tokelau and Moorea if I recall correctly. I'll have to double check. I know for sure Bora Bora but unsure 100% of my other two contracts. |
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Post by helenabear on Dec 9, 2023 19:55:05 GMT -5
Back to the actual topic now. BWV Dreamin we've talked about this for a few years almost. Do you have actual plans now or still deciding? I'm personally unsure what to do next. |
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Post by robbie on Dec 9, 2023 22:39:38 GMT -5
well kinda, with an even bigger disclaimer so not really, and yes, the only points that are available are at units that are in Tokelau, Pago Pago, or Moorea But whatever, you want to be right, that's cool Your sandbox My sandbox? Not my forum, just help run it. Nothing else. This is now getting to a level I am not wanting to go. You seem upset about this which isn't my intent. It's not my words that were said. I'm just going with what we were told. You can believe or not. But I'm not here to be rude and argue about it. As an FYI also Bora Bora Bungalows are part of PVB. My ownership I think technically is Bora Bora, Tokelau and Moorea if I recall correctly. I'll have to double check. I know for sure Bora Bora but unsure 100% of my other two contracts. No not upset at all |
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Dec 10, 2023 8:01:20 GMT -5
Back to the actual topic now. BWV Dreamin we've talked about this for a few years almost. Do you have actual plans now or still deciding? I'm personally unsure what to do next. I am really not sure. There still seems to be many unanswered questions still. The points chart. While we will most likely stay in studios, I would like an occasional one bedroom. I cant entertain any resale without knowing the points chart. Opening price. I definitely am not paying $250/pt. Resale prices for VGF took a nose dive after sales opened back up for VGF. Again, can’t entertain resale yet until see how resale market reacts. Incentives. I doubt I will get any as I am looking at about 135 points. So this again pushes me to looking at resale. I am not sure the best deals will be at the opening timeframe. If the opening price is north of $220 I think there will be further incentives down the road. I just cant make any type of decision at this point. Poly resales are hovering around $145-$155/pt. If incentives bring the opening price down to say $175/$180/pt, resales will have to drop. helenabear |
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I still want to buy there. Probably won’t though but I think if the prices came down even more, I would.
