robbie
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Post by robbie on Dec 8, 2023 9:08:04 GMT -5
The statement that was made is pretty open to interpretation Is also leaves plenty of wiggle room.
The state was not that the poly tower would be the same DVC association, But more along the lines that the “current plans” is that it would be part of ……
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Post by helenabear on Dec 8, 2023 11:03:43 GMT -5
So I looked and interestingly enough, it looks like some for my UY just hit the market today after the announcement. Prices are still in the $150-170 range with most being in the $150-160 or so. I haven't decided which way I'll go. I could pick up a few more points if resale but I'm not sure I need them. Almost all in my UY are more like 100-150. If direct I'd do 70 and call it a day. I know buying 100 I get more for less but how much less and such if it's worth it or not. I want point charts too before deciding. Weirdly there are some people on some groups, just arguing to argue that she didn't say what she said. Kind of surreal. I'm backing away from those who think she lied. Well if part of the association they will have to keep the studios and bungalows the same as the 2025 points chart. BUT what will the duos be priced at, lower? Of course now the one bedrooms and higher will have new charts. There is a resale I saw last night, only one under 150 points in my UY…….hmmmm…… We will not be interested in studios unless it is a trip with just two people. And when we do book those, will likely book the original studios since they definitely have the two showers which we use. Mostly will probably look at one or two bedrooms. Given I see two bathrooms in a one bedroom, we may just stick with one bedrooms for the three of us. We are actually doing a one-bedroom for four nights in March. It will be at Riviera which means just one bathroom. So we'll see how we do with one bathroom for three people but it will give us a feel for space too. The statement that was made is pretty open to interpretation Is also leaves plenty of wiggle room. The state was not that the poly tower would be the same DVC association, But more along the lines that the “current plans” is that it would be part of …… Again I don't understand why people think it was left open to interpretation. She answered the question about the association. If she had said it in a way that left someone to question, the board that was up there would have corrected her. I honestly don't understand why people think it's ambiguous. Let's be real, that question was likely a plant and they knew they needed to have it answered soon. Given they had nothing really big else to share with us, this was their only news that was really fun to give to us. They intentionally left it to the end. But moving on from that, yes they can always change. However from the very beginning there have been clues that they wanted this the same association. Cast members when told about the expansion, they were told that it was an expansion and not a solo new build. Nothing was announced, and everything can change. But even the wording I got from Josh D'Amaro hinted nothing less. Also having the cabins stated flat out as a separate association, gave a final clue. However honestly, I'm tired of the arguments so I'll back out now.
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Post by nickys on Dec 8, 2023 13:06:09 GMT -5
The statement that was made is pretty open to interpretation Is also leaves plenty of wiggle room. The state was not that the poly tower would be the same DVC association, But more along the lines that the “current plans” is that it would be part of …… I was coming to post that…. I don’t know why they would make an announcement like that. If they’re not sure why say anything? Imagine the outcry if they reversed course , yikes!
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Post by nickys on Dec 8, 2023 13:15:03 GMT -5
The statement that was made is pretty open to interpretation Is also leaves plenty of wiggle room. The state was not that the poly tower would be the same DVC association, But more along the lines that the “current plans” is that it would be part of …… Again I don't understand why people think it was left open to interpretation. She answered the question about the association. If she had said it in a way that left someone to question, the board that was up there would have corrected her. I honestly don't understand why people think it's ambiguous.Let's be real, that question was likely a plant and they knew they needed to have it answered soon. Given they had nothing really big else to share with us, this was their only news that was really fun to give to us. They intentionally left it to the end. But moving on from that, yes they can always change. However from the very beginning there have been clues that they wanted this the same association. Cast members when told about the expansion, they were told that it was an expansion and not a solo new build. Nothing was announced, and everything can change. But even the wording I got from Josh D'Amaro hinted nothing less. Also having the cabins stated flat out as a separate association, gave a final clue. However honestly, I'm tired of the arguments so I'll back out now. Re: the bolded. For me it’s ambiguous because the reply was “our plans right now are for the new tower to be part of the existing Polynesian resort." That’s all. Are they thinking there could be a push-back from the Florida timeshare regulatory body? I don’t know. But it’s been quoted and people have noticed. Could be something or nothing. And certainly not an argument.
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Post by rowrbazzle on Dec 8, 2023 13:32:52 GMT -5
Well if part of the association they will have to keep the studios and bungalows the same as the 2025 points chart. BUT what will the duos be priced at, lower? Of course now the one bedrooms and higher will have new charts. There is a resale I saw last night, only one under 150 points in my UY…….hmmmm…… Would they be able to reallocate all the points once the new building's points are added in? I guess once a room has been booked for January 2025 it'd be set, but maybe after that? That's something I hadn't really considered.
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Post by helenabear on Dec 8, 2023 14:19:33 GMT -5
Again I don't understand why people think it was left open to interpretation. She answered the question about the association. If she had said it in a way that left someone to question, the board that was up there would have corrected her. I honestly don't understand why people think it's ambiguous.Let's be real, that question was likely a plant and they knew they needed to have it answered soon. Given they had nothing really big else to share with us, this was their only news that was really fun to give to us. They intentionally left it to the end. But moving on from that, yes they can always change. However from the very beginning there have been clues that they wanted this the same association. Cast members when told about the expansion, they were told that it was an expansion and not a solo new build. Nothing was announced, and everything can change. But even the wording I got from Josh D'Amaro hinted nothing less. Also having the cabins stated flat out as a separate association, gave a final clue. However honestly, I'm tired of the arguments so I'll back out now. Re: the bolded. For me it’s ambiguous because the reply was “our plans right now are for the new tower to be part of the existing Polynesian resort." That’s all. Are they thinking there could be a push-back from the Florida timeshare regulatory body? I don’t know. But it’s been quoted and people have noticed. Could be something or nothing. And certainly not an argument. You're misunderstanding what I am saying on this. There are people who are stating that the main part of her answer itself was ambiguous. Not the portion where she said yes it could change, but the fact that they don't believe she stated it was part of the same Resort association. That's all. Again, things can change, but at this point? Knowing that this has seemingly always been the plan to be one association, as an extension of the current, I sincerely doubt it would change. Something big would have to happen to make it change. But that's separate from what I was talking about. Well if part of the association they will have to keep the studios and bungalows the same as the 2025 points chart. BUT what will the duos be priced at, lower? Of course now the one bedrooms and higher will have new charts. There is a resale I saw last night, only one under 150 points in my UY…….hmmmm…… Would they be able to reallocate all the points once the new building's points are added in? I guess once a room has been booked for January 2025 it'd be set, but maybe after that? That's something I hadn't really considered. I think 2026 we would see changes. The truthfully, I think they've been planning this for a couple of years and have made some changes knowing that this will affect the Polynesian studios and bungalows they currently have. Looking at the point charts for VGF I expect many of the rooms to be in line with what we see over there. I do think we will see some higher point costs for some rooms if the views are as nice as I think they will be calling them theme park view. But I can't really even want to do an educated guess yet because the walkway is gone and it's hard to really get a feel of what the views might be in the end. I would not be surprised if we see BLT designations for room types.
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robbie
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Post by robbie on Dec 8, 2023 18:43:09 GMT -5
Well if part of the association they will have to keep the studios and bungalows the same as the 2025 points chart. BUT what will the duos be priced at, lower? Of course now the one bedrooms and higher will have new charts. There is a resale I saw last night, only one under 150 points in my UY…….hmmmm…… We will not be interested in studios unless it is a trip with just two people. And when we do book those, will likely book the original studios since they definitely have the two showers which we use. Mostly will probably look at one or two bedrooms. Given I see two bathrooms in a one bedroom, we may just stick with one bedrooms for the three of us. We are actually doing a one-bedroom for four nights in March. It will be at Riviera which means just one bathroom. So we'll see how we do with one bathroom for three people but it will give us a feel for space too. The statement that was made is pretty open to interpretation Is also leaves plenty of wiggle room. The state was not that the poly tower would be the same DVC association, But more along the lines that the “current plans” is that it would be part of …… Again I don't understand why people think it was left open to interpretation. She answered the question about the association. If she had said it in a way that left someone to question, the board that was up there would have corrected her. I honestly don't understand why people think it's ambiguous. Let's be real, that question was likely a plant and they knew they needed to have it answered soon. Given they had nothing really big else to share with us, this was their only news that was really fun to give to us. They intentionally left it to the end. But moving on from that, yes they can always change. However from the very beginning there have been clues that they wanted this the same association. Cast members when told about the expansion, they were told that it was an expansion and not a solo new build. Nothing was announced, and everything can change. But even the wording I got from Josh D'Amaro hinted nothing less. Also having the cabins stated flat out as a separate association, gave a final clue. However honestly, I'm tired of the arguments so I'll back out now. If she was as a question about adding the poly tower to the association why didn't she use the right name? It ambiguos because she qualified her answer with "our current plan".... She DID NOT say the poly tower will be part of the Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows... the Disney's Polynesian Village Resort is the entire complex. So the statement Chang made "Our plans right now are for the new tower to be part of the existing Polynesian Resort." that statement neither conclusive or disambiguous. So maybe now you can honestly understand
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robbie
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Post by robbie on Dec 8, 2023 18:48:46 GMT -5
The statement that was made is pretty open to interpretation Is also leaves plenty of wiggle room. The state was not that the poly tower would be the same DVC association, But more along the lines that the “current plans” is that it would be part of …… I was coming to post that…. I don’t know why they would make an announcement like that. If they’re not sure why say anything? Imagine the outcry if they reversed course , yikes! Maybe I should have let you, Apperently, I cant spell check or communicate in english from my phone..... I think they made the statement to see what people would do..... or didnt have a great answer. My guide played it down, but what else could he do without a POS... But assuming it ends up being a new assciation the state will be something to the effective of "due to member demand we changed to a new assciation" or "we said it would be part of the poly village, but never said it would be part of the bungalows and suites" ..... or whatever the poly DVC is called now
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Post by lovindisney on Dec 8, 2023 19:40:31 GMT -5
Thank goodness!
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Post by helenabear on Dec 8, 2023 19:53:10 GMT -5
We will not be interested in studios unless it is a trip with just two people. And when we do book those, will likely book the original studios since they definitely have the two showers which we use. Mostly will probably look at one or two bedrooms. Given I see two bathrooms in a one bedroom, we may just stick with one bedrooms for the three of us. We are actually doing a one-bedroom for four nights in March. It will be at Riviera which means just one bathroom. So we'll see how we do with one bathroom for three people but it will give us a feel for space too. Again I don't understand why people think it was left open to interpretation. She answered the question about the association. If she had said it in a way that left someone to question, the board that was up there would have corrected her. I honestly don't understand why people think it's ambiguous. Let's be real, that question was likely a plant and they knew they needed to have it answered soon. Given they had nothing really big else to share with us, this was their only news that was really fun to give to us. They intentionally left it to the end. But moving on from that, yes they can always change. However from the very beginning there have been clues that they wanted this the same association. Cast members when told about the expansion, they were told that it was an expansion and not a solo new build. Nothing was announced, and everything can change. But even the wording I got from Josh D'Amaro hinted nothing less. Also having the cabins stated flat out as a separate association, gave a final clue. However honestly, I'm tired of the arguments so I'll back out now. If she was as a question about adding the poly tower to the association why didn't she use the right name? It ambiguos because she qualified her answer with "our current plan".... She DID NOT say the poly tower will be part of the Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows... the Disney's Polynesian Village Resort is the entire complex. So the statement Chang made "Our plans right now are for the new tower to be part of the existing Polynesian Resort." that statement neither conclusive or disambiguous. So maybe now you can honestly understand If taken out if context maybe I'd follow. But the way it was asked and where & when asked? Nope. To me it's reaching to ignore the conversation as a whole. Otherwise there wouldn't have been a subtext that things can change. If you personally believe it's ambiguous, I'm sorry if I sounded rude. I was speaking to the others I saw elsewhere. If you do, it does mean same association. It's going to take a huge change outside of Disney's control to change at this point. Remember they decided about 2 years ago now when the plans were being made (and this was in the works long before announced. And was part of the original plans in the early 2010s) I suppose I'm most shocked some people are fighting to prove otherwise. Some I assume are just upset they guessed wrong and don't want to admit it. Wound up having to block someone because they were getting nasty. It was surreal the crazy levels it got. Unless maybe these people didn't want PVB expansion to occur and wanted nothing to do with bungalows maybe and they're lashing out? I'm just aghast at the nastiness I saw yesterday and this morning about it. My understanding though is one forum in particular was nasty to anyone who disagreed and thought it would be same association, but I don't post there to confirm. I assume the social posts that were nasty likely were cross posters. They decided this years ago before they announced it was even being built. There were many clues pointing to this if you knew where to look
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Post by applegrcoug on Dec 8, 2023 20:00:41 GMT -5
Another place to try and use the SSR points I got dirt cheap to try and get a 1-bed.
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robbie
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Post by robbie on Dec 8, 2023 20:15:37 GMT -5
If she was as a question about adding the poly tower to the association why didn't she use the right name? It ambiguos because she qualified her answer with "our current plan".... She DID NOT say the poly tower will be part of the Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows... the Disney's Polynesian Village Resort is the entire complex. So the statement Chang made "Our plans right now are for the new tower to be part of the existing Polynesian Resort." that statement neither conclusive or disambiguous. So maybe now you can honestly understand If taken out if context maybe I'd follow. But the way it was asked and where & when asked? Nope. To me it's reaching to ignore the conversation as a whole. Otherwise there wouldn't have been a subtext that things can change. If you personally believe it's ambiguous, I'm sorry if I sounded rude. I was speaking to the others I saw elsewhere. If you do, it does mean same association. It's going to take a huge change outside of Disney's control to change at this point. Remember they decided about 2 years ago now when the plans were being made (and this was in the works long before announced. And was part of the original plans in the early 2010s) I suppose I'm most shocked some people are fighting to prove otherwise. Some I assume are just upset they guessed wrong and don't want to admit it. Wound up having to block someone because they were getting nasty. It was surreal the crazy levels it got. Unless maybe these people didn't want PVB expansion to occur and wanted nothing to do with bungalows maybe and they're lashing out? I'm just aghast at the nastiness I saw yesterday and this morning about it. My understanding though is one forum in particular was nasty to anyone who disagreed and thought it would be same association, but I don't post there to confirm. I assume the social posts that were nasty likely were cross posters. They decided this years ago before they announced it was even being built. There were many clues pointing to this if you knew where to look Seems like a really strange way for DVC to annouce a new resort. Even more so concidering the guides are backing away from the statement... But either way, I had all but decided to go in another direction before the "release" and this sealed it for me..... However, opens more questions than it answers .
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Post by helenabear on Dec 8, 2023 20:44:03 GMT -5
If taken out if context maybe I'd follow. But the way it was asked and where & when asked? Nope. To me it's reaching to ignore the conversation as a whole. Otherwise there wouldn't have been a subtext that things can change. If you personally believe it's ambiguous, I'm sorry if I sounded rude. I was speaking to the others I saw elsewhere. If you do, it does mean same association. It's going to take a huge change outside of Disney's control to change at this point. Remember they decided about 2 years ago now when the plans were being made (and this was in the works long before announced. And was part of the original plans in the early 2010s) I suppose I'm most shocked some people are fighting to prove otherwise. Some I assume are just upset they guessed wrong and don't want to admit it. Wound up having to block someone because they were getting nasty. It was surreal the crazy levels it got. Unless maybe these people didn't want PVB expansion to occur and wanted nothing to do with bungalows maybe and they're lashing out? I'm just aghast at the nastiness I saw yesterday and this morning about it. My understanding though is one forum in particular was nasty to anyone who disagreed and thought it would be same association, but I don't post there to confirm. I assume the social posts that were nasty likely were cross posters. They decided this years ago before they announced it was even being built. There were many clues pointing to this if you knew where to look Seems like a really strange way for DVC to annouce a new resort. Even more so concidering the guides are backing away from the statement... But either way, I had all but decided to go in another direction before the "release" and this sealed it for me..... However, opens more questions than it answers . I'm not following. They announced the new resort in 2022. I was actually staying at PVB with my kid for spring break when it was announced and talked with a few of the DVC CMs right after it was announced. I haven't heard anyone backing away from the statement after it was made though either. Only before - and even then some stated things and then had to say "oops" they needed the official announcement. We finally got it yesterday during the condo association meeting. That meeting is known for saying good updates we've all been waiting on. What direction were you going to go in before? Another place to try and use the SSR points I got dirt cheap to try and get a 1-bed. I got my OKW points dirt cheap too, though the MFs are getting me LOL. I'm sure I'll use both if I keep my OKW though predominantly PVB.
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robbie
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Post by robbie on Dec 9, 2023 10:54:58 GMT -5
Well if this is true, It should function to drive the resale points at RR down to sub-100
Ill buy RR instead....
If this is how Disney will release information moving forward, I have no use in buying any more direct points.
And if they are just testing the waters here, I think they are going to upset a lot of people.
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Post by helenabear on Dec 9, 2023 12:20:20 GMT -5
Well if this is true, It should function to drive the resale points at RR down to sub-100 Ill buy RR instead.... If this is how Disney will release information moving forward, I have no use in buying any more direct points. And if they are just testing the waters here, I think they are going to upset a lot of people. Can you explain what is wrong with how they released information? Not sure slso what this has to do with direct points and am curious what your thought process is. I will say though there is no "if" on these statements really. The only if portion is if something out of their control happens they wanted us to know. There is no "testing the waters" they just simply announced to a large group in a formal setting what was next. This isn't them playing mind games or something though. This was their plan from day 1 I am very sure. They didn't announce it not knowing where they were heading. It will probably drive RR resales down. Not concerned about that myself though.
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