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Post by henrycpa on Apr 11, 2023 10:40:40 GMT -5
Good article here...and I know some will not like source but read it. In actuality I think it supports Disney's position better because I do think much of their customer base is aligned with them and even some who are not are very willing to look past the disagreement because they like the product. AB/InBev is not as lucky I think. It was interesting last weekend at my golf club. There has historically been a pretty clear "break" between Bud Light people and Miller Lite folks and the rib each other in good fun.. and last week many of BL had moved to Coors (Never Miller they said!!). Ironically, a thing that helps Disney is there really are not a lot of alternatives. Universal is trying but as many on the old MO pointed out to me, Disney parks are much more than just a Theme Park. They are destinations. I thin HP land started Universal on that path but not really there yet. www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/bud-light-suffers-bloodbath-longtime-loyal-consumers-revolt-transgender-campaign |
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Post by broganmc on Apr 11, 2023 11:16:04 GMT -5
Good article here...and I know some will not like source but read it. In actuality I think it supports Disney's position better because I do think much of their customer base is aligned with them and even some who are not are very willing to look past the disagreement because they like the product. AB/InBev is not as lucky I think. It was interesting last weekend at my golf club. There has historically been a pretty clear "break" between Bud Light people and Miller Lite folks and the rib each other in good fun.. and last week many of BL had moved to Coors (Never Miller they said!!). Ironically, a thing that helps Disney is there really are not a lot of alternatives. Universal is trying but as many on the old MO pointed out to me, Disney parks are much more than just a Theme Park. They are destinations. I thin HP land started Universal on that path but not really there yet. www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/bud-light-suffers-bloodbath-longtime-loyal-consumers-revolt-transgender-campaignGood article in a Perfect example of what I've been trying to say. It's extremely dangerous for any corporation to start playing politics when that takes them away from their core business. Because it risks alienating their clientele. Disney has spent decades building up a reputation and a business model. I think the only thing that saved them last year is COVID. Because people were under lockdown for so long, and other vacation destinations were not open, Disney became the safe choice for families to go to. But we saw how they're weighing into the culture Wars affected their media business. Now Disney has to cut 7,000 jobs and Disney+ subscribership is down. Any business analyst worth their salt would advised Disney not to do this. It was too damn risky. And ultimately that's why Bob Chapek lost his job. The jury is still out on Bob Iger. I think he got a rebound vote because he wasn't Chapek but Iger was the creator of Genie+ and other measures that are very unpopular. Don't get me wrong I love Disney. I'm still paying for annual passes and I still have my DVC. There are a lot of good things about the company. I even have my Disney+. Politically I'm neutral on the subject and actually like inclusion. But I can see the perils of what Disney is doing. I'm still waiting for them to price themselves out of the market. I have many friends and neighbors who have sworn off going back to Disney because it's just too expensive. I think the reason why I care so much is because I like the company. I want it to succeed. Not shoot itself in the foot. Now following the story could very well be that Florida politicians are the ones who do a more egregious act. And I think that's exactly what would happen if they start putting in toll roads to go to Disney. That's why I don't think it'll ever happen. I don't think they're that stupid. I could be wrong. As for Bud light, I don't like beer. Never have. It's too bitter. So I don't care one way or another. It is interesting though to see how companies in a bid to get media attention will forget The basics of their business. And that is pleasing your customer base. But maybe that is a side effect of this younger generation of PR people. Gen Z does not have a lot of perspective on the basics of how economics work. I see that with my own niece and nephews. Mods, please forgive me if I got too deep into politics here. I'm just offering my perspectives. Feel free to delete this or chastise me or disagree. |
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Post by broganmc on Apr 11, 2023 11:26:22 GMT -5
And that's when I looked at the fairness of one theme park company having a special district when their direct competitors in town never had that advantage. Why should Disney have such autonomy when Universal and SeaWorld do not? Does it really hurt them to not have this autonomy? They're competitors seem to thrive. Now as for what the Reedy Creek board did, I'll leave that up to the lawyers. I think it was a last minute bait and switch. On the same token I don't think putting in toll roads is anything more than a threat. It wouldn't hurt the company. It would hurt the customers. And it does look very petty and retalitorial. That's why I think it's just an empty threat. At the end of the day Florida politicians want the income that tourists bring. A few points on a political opinion poll is going to mean very little if their actions drop that revenue. Right now I see this as a game of chicken between two heavy weight fighters. Both are trying to say they have the most influence over the public. But they run the risk of being so caught up in that fight they ostracized the public. Whether or not you agree with the political position Disney took is irrelevant. The issue is the obvious retaliation due to that position. As far as the fairness of the Reedy Creek district, none of the other theme parks would be there if Disney had not done the work to make central Florida a place that so many tourists wanted to go. Even that is irrelevant though. If the Florida legislature had looked into this issue of “is it fair if Disney has Reedy Creek but other companies do not have something similar” years ago and the legislature and Disney worked together to come up with a mutually satisfactory solution, I do not think that there would be an issue at all. The issue is that the FL governor decided that it would make himself look tough on Woke, if he took over Reedy Creek, not because he cared about the “fairness” of it at all but because he and the board that he put in of his political friends, thought that they could have some power over Disney content through threats of messing with their infrastructure. They basically said as much. That is the real issue… But you're missing some of the facts in your analysis. It's not that Disney disagreed with the laws the Florida legislature created. It's that Disney then said they would put campaign money and their large PR business behind opposing that legislation and the politicians who enacted it. That was an opening salvo. And that's where I think they crossed the line. If the statement had simply been they disagreed with the law and why, then they're completely entitled to that opinion. And anything the Florida legislature did would have been nothing but retaliatory. But keep in mind that Florida had that special district because they had been working the Florida legislature for years. They donated to candidates they liked who would support their business. They used their influence to help themselves. That's what companies do. And they're entitled to do that. Now they can choose to not support any candidate. But if they declare open war on a sitting legislature for something that has no direct on the effect on their business, then they should not expect that legislature to continue giving them a benefit especially carved out for them. To give you another analogy, let's say you have a family BBQ restaurant. Your child becomes a vegetarian and wants you to stop serving meat. So then your child leads a group of protesters to blockade the front entrance to your restaurant preventing any customers from entering. Therefore you can't do any business. And your child lives in your home, with you paying for his medical insurance, housing and food. Are you going to be inclined to want to continue paying for those expenses when your child prevents you from earning the money to pay for that? It's a direct threat to your well-being. That is what Disney did. They directly threatened the careers of those Florida legislators. Of course it was going to get personal. Disney started it! That's the mistake they made. They should have just said they disagreed with the law and why. But then taking the action to unseat those politicians was a step too far. It may have been what their California cast members wanted, but it was not in the company's best interest and therefore it wasn't in the shareholders best interest. |
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Post by Wiltony on Apr 11, 2023 12:09:32 GMT -5
We all have the right to and for free speech. But if you are a corporation selling goods or services to the public there can be consequences, both in revenue and market penetration, but also politically. CFA is a good example. They seem to be ok with possibly some people not choosing to shop with them. Home Depot as well. We will see if InBev AB is as impervious in thier positions or if they will take a demand hit. Disney has, but I think they are replacing customers as fast or faster as they lose them so I see them much more like a CFA than an InBev. The InBev AB made me google.... I don't drink beer and couldn't figure it out. But yes we all have rights to free speech and should never expect government retaliation if it's done. People may treat you differently after and companies can expect gains or losses because of it. That's our choice. Not only should we not expect it, it's explicitly forbidden in the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. A government retaliating for someone exercising the right to free speech is illegal, unconstitutional, and has a chilling effect. Regardless of your political leanings, views on the special district, or your opinion of Disney, this should be a MAJOR concern to any citizen that holds that right to free speech dear.
No corporation, even Disney, should not have an unfair advantage when it comes to taxes, permitting, etc. For Disney, the chickens have come home to roost! Your double-negative aside, I'm not sure what "the chickens have come home to roost" means here. It typically means that someone's prior bad actions are coming back to bite or haunt them. Are you saying that Disney has been a bad actor in the past? How? Have they been taking unfair advantage and been a parasite on the citizens of Florida? Because I was under the impression that it was the opposite: that Disney has been a boon to the state and its citizens and the keystone for the entire Orlando economy. Would it really help Orlando and the State if Florida squeezed and/or shut down Disney? Is that really in their best interest? That's why this is all so bizarre. It's the most blatant and ridiculous example of biting the hand that feeds you, or cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Post by SuzanneSLO on Apr 11, 2023 12:57:49 GMT -5
I’m sure that all the Country Club beer drinkers switching to Coors will be happy to show their loyalty to their new beverage by marching in the Coors Light Denver Pride Parade. I think it is naive for anyone to expect an end to corporate sponsorships or corporate political donations.
Maybe Disney should play nice with the State of Florida by removing the metal detectors outside the parks now that the State allows concealed carry without a permit.
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Post by jflatto on Apr 11, 2023 13:08:45 GMT -5
Maybe Disney should play nice with the State of Florida by removing the metal detectors outside the parks now that the State allows concealed carry without a permit. Maybe Florida should play nice by removing the metal detectors from the state legislature and governor's mansion since the State allows concealed carry without a permit!!! One change I would like to see at the US Congress is to put all the senators and representatives on social security, medicare/medicaid/tricare etc. so they have the same retirement and medical plans as "normal" folks. |
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Post by rigby on Apr 11, 2023 15:05:30 GMT -5
This is pretty funny. Thanks @suzanne for pointing this out. I live in Denver and this cracked me up!  henrycpa You might want to tell your golfing buddies they’re making fools of themselves. Weird club you got there, pal. I just don’t get it. You should also give them a heads up that they can no longer shop at any Safeway, Target, or Kroger’s grocery stores. That’s gotta suck. denverpride.org/sponsors/ |
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Post by helenabear on Apr 11, 2023 16:48:00 GMT -5
This is pretty funny. Thanks @suzanne for pointing this out. I live in Denver and this cracked me up! You should also give them a heads up that they can no longer shop at any Safeway, Target, or Kroger’s grocery stores. denverpride.org/sponsors/And Coors and Miller. Not to mention car makers (the only known anti-friendly is defunct) and other things like iPhones and Samsung. The list of companies supporting vocally is getting huge. |
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Post by SuzanneSLO on Apr 11, 2023 17:05:10 GMT -5
I remember being incredibly moved by the It Gets Better video from Pixar featuring its employees in 2006, shortly after it was acquired by Disney. Just watched it again and was once again moved to tears. Hard to imagine the Company that made this more than 15 years ago not taking a stance against the law passed by Florida.
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Post by brp on Apr 11, 2023 17:51:48 GMT -5
Just remember- there’s a lot of sand in Florida for the insertion of heads.
Cheers.
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Apr 13, 2023 11:35:49 GMT -5
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Post by captjacksfamily on Apr 14, 2023 3:35:52 GMT -5
What we are missing in this discussion is that this whole war was / is great for DeSantis because when this started he needed a soap box to get on to take his "brand" national and Disney gave him exactly that. There are few organizations out there that will guarantee the national exposure that a fight with Disney will. Just think how much air time he has received, how many mentions of his name even becoming a target of SNL that would not have happened without Disney. Even the articles that say Disney got the best of him are a plus because it gives him a whole new round of national chest pounding that would not have happened without it.
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Post by ratfan on Apr 14, 2023 8:00:16 GMT -5
I’m sure that all the Country Club beer drinkers switching to Coors will be happy to show their loyalty to their new beverage by marching in the Coors Light Denver Pride Parade. I think it is naive for anyone to expect an end to corporate sponsorships or corporate political donations. Maybe Disney should play nice with the State of Florida by removing the metal detectors outside the parks now that the State allows concealed carry without a permit. Yup. It appears that he's either golfing with 'phobes or lemmings, possibly both. #sorrynotsorry |
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Post by jflatto on Apr 14, 2023 8:14:40 GMT -5
What we are missing in this discussion is that this whole war was / is great for DeSantis because when this started he needed a soap box to get on to take his "brand" national and Disney gave him exactly that. There are few organizations out there that will guarantee the national exposure that a fight with Disney will. Just think how much air time he has received, how many mentions of his name even becoming a target of SNL that would not have happened without Disney. Even the articles that say Disney got the best of him are a plus because it gives him a whole new round of national chest pounding that would not have happened without it. I unfortunately have to agree. Many of the individuals that DeSantis is trying to attract will not care about the details. He is the underdog fighting against the "woke" company. Most of those folks are in their own echo chambers where all they hear (and want to hear) is just a portion of the story that supports their world view. As a country, we are badly split and with all the screaming " talking heads", I am not sure how this can be fixed. |
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Post by SuzanneSLO on Apr 14, 2023 9:59:40 GMT -5
What we are missing in this discussion is that this whole war was / is great for DeSantis because when this started he needed a soap box to get on to take his "brand" national and Disney gave him exactly that. There are few organizations out there that will guarantee the national exposure that a fight with Disney will. Just think how much air time he has received, how many mentions of his name even becoming a target of SNL that would not have happened without Disney. Even the articles that say Disney got the best of him are a plus because it gives him a whole new round of national chest pounding that would not have happened without it. I think the presidential aspirations do play into how protracted this fight becomes. Under current Florida law, DeSantis will have to resign as governor if he runs for President (although many expect that the legislature will change that law to allow DeSantis to run). The current feeling is that DeSantis will not be the Republican nominee for President in 2024, but he is young and may try again in 2028. Technically, DeSantis will have hit his term limits as governor in 2027, but it is possible that is another law that will be changed. On the other side, it is hard to see that Disney is leaving Florida anytime soon and will likely throw considerable resources to get back the autonomy it enjoyed since the 1960’s. In the meantime, however, I think that further development will be slowed because that it is an entirely rational thing to do when the future is incredibly uncertain. |
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