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Post by brp on May 17, 2024 19:59:14 GMT -5
Nope, they do not change points charts nor do they give 7 month booking at opening. Original PVB was sale mid-Jan and only offered a discount for a few weeks. Then public with a $5 increase. Booking was Feb 11th for owners and 3 weeks later they opened it to non owners. Point charts will remain for the bungalows and studios for 2025. I expect an adjustment within a few years. I do not expect good discounts. The $17 off ends June 24. I'd be surprised if we saw more than VGF's $8 off or even that much off. I think prices will increase before sales too. Yup.....Point charts will be adjusted after the Tower sells out.
By "adjusted," I assume you mean that they will redistribute points across seasons and room types since they can't change the total number of points once sales start.
Cheers.
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Post by lephelps on May 17, 2024 20:04:06 GMT -5
Two bedroom Lock-offs......DVC secret weapon to add more points. Because a 2-bedroom lock-off is at least 20% more points than a standard 2-bedroom. I’ve had two bedroom lock offs sometimes by choice, sometime because that’s what was available. I never saw a 20% higher point rate. I can only speak to where we have had a two bedroom lock off and that was OKW and CCR. The "more points" is not related to a difference in booking a 2BR lock-ff vs. dedicated 2BR. It's the difference in points for a 2BR lock-off vs. that same room booked as separate studio and 1BR. The total points needed for a studio + 1BR that make up a 2BR lock-off is higher than the same space booked as a 2BR. For example, one night in a 2BR lock-off might be 30 pts but booked as a studio and a 1BR it might be 35 points (12 points for the studio 23 points for the 1BR). If you have, say, 10 dedicated 2BRs and 10 2BR lock-offs in a resort, that's 650 points vs. only 600 points if you had 20 dedicated 2BRs. Or if all 20 are lock-offs then you have 700 points. |
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Post by helenabear on May 17, 2024 20:07:33 GMT -5
Yup.....Point charts will be adjusted after the Tower sells out.
By "adjusted," I assume you mean that they will redistribute points across seasons and room types since they can't change the total number of points once sales start. Cheers. Yes, redistributed point charts. I’ve had two bedroom lock offs sometimes by choice, sometime because that’s what was available. I never saw a 20% higher point rate. I can only speak to where we have had a two bedroom lock off and that was OKW and CCR. The "more points" is not related to a difference in booking a 2BR lock-ff vs. dedicated 2BR. It's the difference in points for a 2BR lock-off vs. that same room booked as separate studio and 1BR. The total points needed for a studio + 1BR that make up a 2BR lock-off is higher than the same space booked as a 2BR. For example, one night in a 2BR lock-off might be 30 pts but booked as a studio and a 1BR it might be 35 points (12 points for the studio 23 points for the 1BR). If you have, say, 10 dedicated 2BRs and 10 2BR lock-offs in a resort, that's 650 points vs. only 600 points if you had 20 dedicated 2BRs. This! It's a thing so many people watch when points are redone. Do you remember when people caught some issues and they walked back on a redistribution? |
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Post by brp on May 17, 2024 20:51:50 GMT -5
Having spent 4 nights right nearby at VGF, I can say that this new Poly tower is butt ugly and doesn't fit the surroundings. It will sell well and the location is fabulous, but this monolithic concrete structure breaks up the look of the Poly and GF area. It looks like a large Hampton Inn sandwiched between two iconic looks.
I know that it will look better when the skins are on, but it will still be a large monolithic block.
Looking at it from the walking trail to MK several times made it clear just how much of an eyesore it is.
Cheers.
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Post by FessParker1 on May 17, 2024 21:15:16 GMT -5
Belongs on Waikiki Beach. Blech.
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Post by helenabear on May 17, 2024 21:30:59 GMT -5
Having spent 4 nights right nearby at VGF, I can say that this new Poly tower is butt ugly and doesn't fit the surroundings. It will sell well and the location is fabulous, but this monolithic concrete structure breaks up the look of the Poly and GF area. It looks like a large Hampton Inn sandwiched between two iconic looks. I know that it will look better when the skins are on, but it will still be a large monolithic block. Looking at it from the walking trail to MK several times made it clear just how much of an eyesore it is. Cheers. Oh not you.. nope ignoring this of you lol It's still being finished. A lot of the concrete needs painting and such. The building will actually be divided out with colors more too. And for goodness sake! If this is what a Hampton Inn is like, I've been in massive dumps of a Hampton Inn Belongs on Waikiki Beach. Blech. Um.... that was the point... Hawaii is one of the longhouse names Good lord the negativity sometimes is harsh and a downer. I hoped to avoid it here. I won't bother with WDWMagic now because of it. I think people need to let them finish and then hush up  |
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Post by brp on May 17, 2024 21:43:04 GMT -5
Having spent 4 nights right nearby at VGF, I can say that this new Poly tower is butt ugly and doesn't fit the surroundings. It will sell well and the location is fabulous, but this monolithic concrete structure breaks up the look of the Poly and GF area. It looks like a large Hampton Inn sandwiched between two iconic looks. I know that it will look better when the skins are on, but it will still be a large monolithic block. Looking at it from the walking trail to MK several times made it clear just how much of an eyesore it is. Cheers. Oh not you.. nope ignoring this of you lol It's still being finished. A lot of the concrete needs painting and such. The building will actually be divided out with colors more too. And for goodness sake! If this is what a Hampton Inn is like, I've been in massive dumps of a Hampton Inn Belongs on Waikiki Beach. Blech. Um.... that was the point... Hawaii is one of the longhouse names Good lord the negativity sometimes is harsh and a downer. I hoped to avoid it here. I won't bother with WDWMagic now because of it. I think people need to let them finish and then hush up
To each their own. I know what I just looked at for the past four days, and I don't think it fits. I'm sure that others feel differently and I won't ignore their different views even if they choose to ignore mine.
This is just the opinion I formed based on actually looking at the fit of this structure in its surroundings. If it's considered negativity because it's not all magic and fairy dust, so be it.
Cheers.
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Post by helenabear on May 17, 2024 21:53:06 GMT -5
Oh not you.. nope ignoring this of you lol It's still being finished. A lot of the concrete needs painting and such. The building will actually be divided out with colors more too. And for goodness sake! If this is what a Hampton Inn is like, I've been in massive dumps of a Hampton Inn Um.... that was the point... Hawaii is one of the longhouse names Good lord the negativity sometimes is harsh and a downer. I hoped to avoid it here. I won't bother with WDWMagic now because of it. I think people need to let them finish and then hush up To each their own. I know what I just looked at for the past four days, and I don't think it fits. I'm sure that others feel differently and I won't ignore their different views even if they choose to ignore mine. This is just the opinion I formed based on actually looking at the fit of this structure in its surroundings. If it's considered negativity because it's not all magic and fairy dust, so be it. Cheers. I was being a bit silly at the end btw. Hence the I think you missed that part apparently. I will say the Hampton In part was serious. I've been in dumps if this is one.  Vs www.hilton.com/im/en/CHIAPHX/18919641/chiap-exteriors-01.tif?impolicy=crop&cw=5000&ch=2799&gravity=NorthWest&xposition=0&yposition=267&rw=768&rh=430Though the reality is the building isn't done so I reserve judgment until it's done. I did the same with BLT. I hated it as it was built but gave it a chance. Same with VGF. Some people are making a sport out of it though. People don't do well with change. Give it 5 years and there will be something new to hate on. |
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Post by brp on May 17, 2024 22:02:13 GMT -5
To each their own. I know what I just looked at for the past four days, and I don't think it fits. I'm sure that others feel differently and I won't ignore their different views even if they choose to ignore mine. This is just the opinion I formed based on actually looking at the fit of this structure in its surroundings. If it's considered negativity because it's not all magic and fairy dust, so be it. Cheers. I was being a bit silly at the end btw. Hence the I think you missed that part apparently. I will say the Hampton In part was serious. I've been in dumps if this is one. Though the reality is the building isn't done so I reserve judgment until it's done. I did the same with BLT. I hated it as it was built but gave it a chance. Same with VGF. Some people are making a sport out of it though. People don't do well with change. Give it 5 years and there will be something new to hate on. Oh, reading these boards I see plenty of hate spewed at just about everything Disney does, and generally only from a few sources. Even folks who are heavily invested in Disney. I've generally been positive about what they've done.
I just don't care for this one. I'm also not terribly fond of BLT visually, actually, TowL is nice, but I don't think the building fits well with Contemporary. And this after looking at it a lot for 4 days.
I feel the same way about Poly II. Again, I think that it will be popular and the location is primo. I just don't like the concept. I do know that it will look better than it does when it is more than just a concrete block, and that will mitigate some of it. But it will still be a large monolithic block, albeit a colorful one, in a very different landscape. It will stand out wildly.
Not sure what the objections were to VGF. It is in keeping with the look of GF and fits the landscape perfectly. It looks like it was always there since it has the same architecture.
Not so with Poly II.
But. after our stay at VGF (TR to follow), I have a feeling we'll be back at VGF. Poly II will be done and I'll be able to look at it with a fresh set of eyes.
This is preliminary judgement based on underlying (and not gonna change) architecture. As you, I'll reserve final judgement until the paint and siding are on. Landscaping as well.
In any case, it will be wildly popular, no matter what I may think 
Oh, and while I've certainly been in dumps, I've actually been in a few pretty nice Hampton Inns 
Cheers.
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Post by disney54us on May 17, 2024 22:12:59 GMT -5
I’ve had two bedroom lock offs sometimes by choice, sometime because that’s what was available. I never saw a 20% higher point rate. I can only speak to where we have had a two bedroom lock off and that was OKW and CCR. The "more points" is not related to a difference in booking a 2BR lock-ff vs. dedicated 2BR. It's the difference in points for a 2BR lock-off vs. that same room booked as separate studio and 1BR. The total points needed for a studio + 1BR that make up a 2BR lock-off is higher than the same space booked as a 2BR. For example, one night in a 2BR lock-off might be 30 pts but booked as a studio and a 1BR it might be 35 points (12 points for the studio 23 points for the 1BR). If you have, say, 10 dedicated 2BRs and 10 2BR lock-offs in a resort, that's 650 points vs. only 600 points if you had 20 dedicated 2BRs. Or if all 20 are lock-offs then you have 700 points. Sorry, I just don’t point chart/ budget my points. I never noticed a difference between a lock off or a two bedroom. As I said. Sometimes I didn’t have a choice. A 2 bedroom at okw vs a lock-off option was always the same. If you are talking about booking a 1 bed and then a separate booking for a connecting studio. Of course it would be more points. And two different room bookings. You book a two bed lock off if you want other members close and to have access same points for a 2 bed or you use the points to book a studio, maybe down the hall and you book our 1 or 2 bed. |
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Post by helenabear on May 17, 2024 22:17:58 GMT -5
I was being a bit silly at the end btw. Hence the I think you missed that part apparently. I will say the Hampton In part was serious. I've been in dumps if this is one. Though the reality is the building isn't done so I reserve judgment until it's done. I did the same with BLT. I hated it as it was built but gave it a chance. Same with VGF. Some people are making a sport out of it though. People don't do well with change. Give it 5 years and there will be something new to hate on. Oh, reading these boards I see plenty of hate spewed at just about everything Disney does, and generally only from a few sources. Even folks who are heavily invested in Disney. I've generally been positive about what they've done. I just don't care for this one. I'm also not terribly fond of BLT visually, actually, TowL is nice, but I don't think the building fits well with Contemporary. And this after looking at it a lot for 4 days.
I feel the same way about Poly II. Again, I think that it will be popular and the location is primo. I just don't like the concept. I do know that it will look better than it does when it is more than just a concrete block, and that will mitigate some of it. But it will still be a large monolithic block, albeit a colorful one, in a very different landscape. It will stand out wildly. Not sure what the objections were to VGF. It is in keeping with the look of GF and fits the landscape perfectly. It looks like it was always there since it has the same architecture. Not so with Poly II. But. after our stay at VGF (TR to follow), I have a feeling we'll be back at VGF. Poly II will be done and I'll be able to look at it with a fresh set of eyes. This is preliminary judgement based on underlying (and not gonna change) architecture. As you, I'll reserve final judgement until the paint and siding are on. Landscaping as well. In any case, it will be wildly popular, no matter what I may think Cheers. To be fair monolithic means one huge block. This is not that... it's like 4 ot 5  I didn't mean to be super serious about it. I was trying to be playful and failed miserably honestly (first sentence is a joke in case I failed again). Your right to hate it if you wind up in the end. I personally won't care as I sit on my balcony looking across the lagoon. I just hope it doesn't get super negative here like a couple other sites. I've had to step back from Tikiman due to the constant negativity as well as WDWMagic. It's not healthy to be that negative. I don't still love BLT but it went from disdain to being fine with it. VGF was a lot quicker for me. I try to not be negative all the time.The sightline of the MK area, has changed a ton since 1982 when I first was there. And there have been so many changes in general. I try to roll with them though. I think some people struggle with change and that brings some negativity. Some others just are unhappy people and always look down on Disney no matter what they do. Other negativity is justified. Truly you dont have to like it. No one does. But this one as a whole is just so polarizing. BLT was when built as well. VGF got some hate because it was a big block compared to the main building. I see random comments against it at times still. It's too tall. It's too clunky. It doesn't have the same roofline that is not all one height. It's too close to the chapel. It destroyed the sightlines. All of that was said . |
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Post by brp on May 17, 2024 22:27:50 GMT -5
Oh, reading these boards I see plenty of hate spewed at just about everything Disney does, and generally only from a few sources. Even folks who are heavily invested in Disney. I've generally been positive about what they've done. I just don't care for this one. I'm also not terribly fond of BLT visually, actually, TowL is nice, but I don't think the building fits well with Contemporary. And this after looking at it a lot for 4 days.
I feel the same way about Poly II. Again, I think that it will be popular and the location is primo. I just don't like the concept. I do know that it will look better than it does when it is more than just a concrete block, and that will mitigate some of it. But it will still be a large monolithic block, albeit a colorful one, in a very different landscape. It will stand out wildly. Not sure what the objections were to VGF. It is in keeping with the look of GF and fits the landscape perfectly. It looks like it was always there since it has the same architecture. Not so with Poly II. But. after our stay at VGF (TR to follow), I have a feeling we'll be back at VGF. Poly II will be done and I'll be able to look at it with a fresh set of eyes. This is preliminary judgement based on underlying (and not gonna change) architecture. As you, I'll reserve final judgement until the paint and siding are on. Landscaping as well. In any case, it will be wildly popular, no matter what I may think Cheers. To be fair monolithic means one huge block. This is not that... it's like 4 ot 5 I think some people struggle with change and that brings some negativity. Some others just are unhappy people and always look down on Disney no matter what they do. Other negativity is justified. Truly you dont have to like it. No one does. But this one as a whole is just so polarizing. BLT was when built as well. VGF even got some hate because it was a big block compared to the main building. I see random comments against it at times still.
I think the concept for Poly II looks good. But it really is one connected structure, albeit the facets. As concrete, the facets are not as apparent and it really is a connected block. With the concept drawing, it is still all connected, but looks more modular.
For VGF, though, I don't get the comment. The main building is one large structure, albeit with charm. The other buildings on the site (there are something like 8 or so) are all single structures. VGF just doesn't look any different from the other buildings. And this is from looking at all of them from our balcony and looking at VGF from the grounds.
Maybe I'm just missing it, but VGF looks like it was always there and looks like the rest of the buildings at GF. In a way that BLT does not.
And, yeah, I do know that you were not completely serious
As for change related hate, let's talk about Food Rocks and the original Journey into Imagination. That's some hate generating change... :mad:
Cheers.
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Post by helenabear on May 17, 2024 22:33:53 GMT -5
The "more points" is not related to a difference in booking a 2BR lock-ff vs. dedicated 2BR. It's the difference in points for a 2BR lock-off vs. that same room booked as separate studio and 1BR. The total points needed for a studio + 1BR that make up a 2BR lock-off is higher than the same space booked as a 2BR. For example, one night in a 2BR lock-off might be 30 pts but booked as a studio and a 1BR it might be 35 points (12 points for the studio 23 points for the 1BR). If you have, say, 10 dedicated 2BRs and 10 2BR lock-offs in a resort, that's 650 points vs. only 600 points if you had 20 dedicated 2BRs. Or if all 20 are lock-offs then you have 700 points. Sorry, I just don’t point chart/ budget my points. I never noticed a difference between a lock off or a two bedroom. As I said. Sometimes I didn’t have a choice. A 2 bedroom at okw vs a lock-off option was always the same. If you are talking about booking a 1 bed and then a separate booking for a connecting studio. Of course it would be more points. And two different room bookings. You book a two bed lock off if you want other members close and to have access same points for a 2 bed or you use the points to book a studio, maybe down the hall and you book our 1 or 2 bed. You were still looking at it from a booking point of view. What was being discussed was about the resort numbers and points as a whole. The whole lock off argument comes into play when looking to make sure that points are evenly and fairly distributed when they make changes. Just googled and it was the 2020 point charts that caused the biggest uproar. People threatened law suits even www.dvcnews.com/other-resources/feature-articles/4391-what-is-the-lock-off-premium |
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Post by brp on May 17, 2024 22:41:11 GMT -5
Sorry, I just don’t point chart/ budget my points. I never noticed a difference between a lock off or a two bedroom. As I said. Sometimes I didn’t have a choice. A 2 bedroom at okw vs a lock-off option was always the same. If you are talking about booking a 1 bed and then a separate booking for a connecting studio. Of course it would be more points. And two different room bookings. You book a two bed lock off if you want other members close and to have access same points for a 2 bed or you use the points to book a studio, maybe down the hall and you book our 1 or 2 bed. You were still looking at it from a booking point of view. What was being discussed was about the resort numbers and points as a whole. The whole lock off argument comes into play when looking to make sure that points are evenly and fairly distributed when they make changes. Just googled and it was the 2020 point charts that caused the biggest uproar. People threatened law suits even www.dvcnews.com/other-resources/feature-articles/4391-what-is-the-lock-off-premiumI remember that I, and someone else, made very detailed spreadsheets showing all units in the resort and the before and after points for both LO and non-LO options to show that the total did not change. (Actually, it did, but it was like a 1% change which, I guess, is unavoidable when redistributing).
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Post by helenabear on May 17, 2024 22:42:25 GMT -5
To be fair monolithic means one huge block. This is not that... it's like 4 ot 5 I think some people struggle with change and that brings some negativity. Some others just are unhappy people and always look down on Disney no matter what they do. Other negativity is justified. Truly you dont have to like it. No one does. But this one as a whole is just so polarizing. BLT was when built as well. VGF even got some hate because it was a big block compared to the main building. I see random comments against it at times still. I think the concept for Poly II looks good. But it really is one connected structure, albeit the facets. As concrete, the facets are not as apparent and it really is a connected block. With the concept drawing, it is still all connected, but looks more modular. For VGF, though, I don't get the comment. The main building is one large structure, albeit with charm. The other buildings on the site (there are something like 8 or so) are all single structures. VGF just doesn't look any different from the other buildings. And this is from looking at all of them from our balcony and looking at VGF from the grounds. Maybe I'm just missing it, but VGF looks like it was always there and looks like the rest of the buildings at GF. In a way that BLT does not. And, yeah, I do know that you were not completely serious As for change related hate, let's talk about Food Rocks and the original Journey into Imagination. That's some hate generating change... :mad: Cheers. I've been watching it being built. It was actually done in sections, and not quite one big block. But I see what it looks like now to many. I haven't been in just under 2 months though. It really reminded me of watching my kid build big tall things with his duplo blocks. PVB tower looked even worse earlier on too! The stark concrete was very bad looking but I knew the color would change. However it looks a lot messy still. I don't agree about VGF either. I think it looks different but same and totally fine. I can tell you in the great Polyday Inn fight, I've seen it resurected so many times. Quite strange really. That one didn't bug me really. BLT did but I got over it in the end. We've had pretty good stays there and that resort is to blame for me adding on going on 5 times now lol. Glad you knew I wasn't totally serious. I try to hide my hatred... errr... ummm yeah let's move on to Food Rocks! I actually also was very sad losing that show area for Soarin but that ride won me over. Until it changed again... now I'd rather have anything else. I don't think anyone will disagree about Journey though.. Maybe I should bring up the SSE wand at Epcot and the Sorcerer's hat at DHS.... those are some good fights (I disliked both and was thrilled when removed but some friends say I'm insane) |
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