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Post by bakerworld on Sept 9, 2023 11:35:08 GMT -5
With the Treasure replacing the Fantasy 7D Caribbeans, what will the Adventure replace or do you think DCL will actually develop new cruise itineraries?
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Sept 9, 2023 21:52:54 GMT -5
I have a feeling new itinerary. Will be exciting to see!
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Post by nickys on Sept 10, 2023 4:10:03 GMT -5
With the Treasure replacing the Fantasy 7D Caribbeans, what will the Adventure replace or do you think DCL will actually develop new cruise itineraries? Isn’t the Adventure the ship they bought that was abandoned by another cruise line half built? In which case it’s a massive ship. But it was announced yesterday it will be Asia based. So I assume new itineraries. Not sure where it will be based. Singapore? Japan? I think this going after a whole new clientele. In which case I’ll be interested to see how they fare against the established cruise lines. When I looked at possibly trying a DCL cruise in Europe, I ruled them out. At least twice the price for identical itineraries from every other cruise line. Will the Asian market be willing to pay that? |
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Post by tomandrobin on Sept 10, 2023 5:25:12 GMT -5
The Adveture will be based in Singapore, offering Asian cruises and South pacific cruises.
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Sept 10, 2023 7:20:20 GMT -5
With the Treasure replacing the Fantasy 7D Caribbeans, what will the Adventure replace or do you think DCL will actually develop new cruise itineraries? Isn’t the Adventure the ship they bought that was abandoned by another cruise line half built? In which case it’s a massive ship. But it was announced yesterday it will be Asia based. So I assume new itineraries. Not sure where it will be based. Singapore? Japan? I think this going after a whole new clientele. In which case I’ll be interested to see how they fare against the established cruise lines. When I looked at possibly trying a DCL cruise in Europe, I ruled them out. At least twice the price for identical itineraries from every other cruise line. Will the Asian market be willing to pay that? So what I thought Disney bought half built was the biggest cruiseline ever built. I can’t imagine that is the same ship for the “ Adventure”. But I don’t know for sure. Princess has already released their bookings for Japan 2025. They are VERY reasonable right now with additional $1500 and $500 OBC promotions for those cruises. Definitely would not be sailing on Disney for Asia. |
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Post by bakerworld on Sept 10, 2023 7:23:30 GMT -5
I thought I read somewhere that DCL had to redo the cabins on the Adventure because they were too small, which reduced the ship size so it now holds more people than the other ships but not my much.
One of the crew told us DCL is trying to widen their ships for stabilization but not increase the passenger size.
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Post by captjacksfamily on Sept 10, 2023 7:36:08 GMT -5
The Adventure was being built for Crystal Cruises and not being able to renegotiate the shipyard contract during COVID was a big part of Crystal going bankrupt. It was said that Disney bought it because it liked the Bathroom layout and could redesign the room layout around the bathrooms (take this as a rumor because I don't have any sources to quote). Crystal has now risen from the ashes and bought by Abercrombie & Kent. They have just restarted cruising on the Serenity and Symphony and it has been reported that they have 85% of the original staff back. It has also been reported that they are building four new ships, two ocean and two expedition. All reports say that the ships are being operated at the same high standard as the original Crystal did, we will find out in a couple of weeks as we are on the Serenity from Quebec to NY.
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Post by nickys on Sept 10, 2023 8:18:12 GMT -5
I found this which confirms what tomandrobin and @captainjacksfamily have said. wdwnt.com/2023/09/breaking-disney-cruise-line-names-seventh-ship-disney-adventure/“Shared during this morning’s “A Celebration of Disney Parks, Experiences and Products: Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow” panel at Destination D23, the newest ship joining the fleet is the Disney Adventure. Work is currently underway on the ship, previously known as the Global Dream, in Germany. This will be the first Disney ship to sail from Singapore and throughout Southeast Asia. As expected, it will “feature the Disney service, storytelling, and entertainment” the cruise line is known for. No timeline for when the ship will sail with guests was shared, though previous reports have stated that the maiden voyage is expected to take place sometime in 2025, alongside rumors of it being delayed until 2026. The Global Dream was purchased by Disney back in 2022 as an unfinished, 19-story vessel filled with various amenities and a capacity of approximately 6,000 guests. It was confirmed that it began its transformation into what is now the Disney Adventure in August 2023.” But if they’re hoping to sail in 2025 and itineraries have already been released for other cruise lines in Asia for 2025 then they’re going to be way behind in terms of sales before they even start. So delaying until 2026 might be best. That also raises the question of whether the traditional DCL model of timelines for releasing itineraries and also not releasing pricing until pretty much booking day will work in the Asian markets. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Sept 11, 2023 7:12:31 GMT -5
But if they’re hoping to sail in 2025 and itineraries have already been released for other cruise lines in Asia for 2025 then they’re going to be way behind in terms of sales before they even start. So delaying until 2026 might be best. That also raises the question of whether the traditional DCL model of timelines for releasing itineraries and also not releasing pricing until pretty much booking day will work in the Asian markets. They will be behind, but DCL is not far ahead on their itineraries like the other cruise lines.
By releasing their dates on a shorter time frame allows Disney to make more money on their bookings. How? Because their pricing reflects current costs better.....if inflation is high, or fuel prices spike, etc they can absorb those costs better into their pricing models. Also, people are more committed to actually sailing on a DCL booked on shorter notice then traditional cruise lines. This is because the further out you are making a reservation, the more likely that life can change or your travel priorities change.....less canceling of cruises.
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Post by nickys on Sept 11, 2023 7:56:37 GMT -5
Good points.
But how much experience does DCL have in Asia? Will they be looking to create a network of Asian TAs?
DCL have struggled to fill their ships in Europe, where there isn’t the brand loyalty they perhaps enjoy in the US. The TA issue is another possible factor. Finding a DCL cruise specialist here is impossible. So if I want to book I’d have to find a US based TA. If you’re looking to attract a whole new client base then DCL need local TAs who can push DCL with the kind of perks US clients get.
I will be interested to watch what happens.
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Post by tomandrobin on Sept 11, 2023 9:53:25 GMT -5
Good points. But how much experience does DCL have in Asia? Will they be looking to create a network of Asian TAs? DCL have struggled to fill their ships in Europe, where there isn’t the brand loyalty they perhaps enjoy in the US. The TA issue is another possible factor. Finding a DCL cruise specialist here is impossible. So if I want to book I’d have to find a US based TA. If you’re looking to attract a whole new client base then DCL need local TAs who can push DCL with the kind of perks US clients get. I will be interested to watch what happens. Will....For starters, they have three theme park locations in Asia.
Asians have a deeper love of Disney, then Europeans as a whole. Disneyland in Paris has always struggled.
DCL in Europe is a hard sell for Europeans. Its not like sailing out of Florida, there is no Castaway Cay or Lighthouse Point.....those a huge selling points. Without them, its just another Caribbean cruise, for 50% more cost. I think the Asian Cruises will have the same problem, you need to either offer something more or your costs need to come down to the competition. At least DCL will have a starting advantage of a cheap upfront cost, for a new ship. For example, we did the British Isle cruise prior to covid. We priced DCL and compared to Princess. The DCL cruise was 50% more cost and was less days then the Princess cruise. It made zero sense to use DCL and pay more, and got less. That cruise is port heavy and do not need all the Disney stuff during the cruise. It was the same thing when we sailed to Alaska. We choose NCL over DCL because for the money, we got a lot more out of cruise.
And yes, Disney will have to develop a TA program there, which will not be easy. Its a different market, different culture, different rules.
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Post by lola on Sept 11, 2023 14:09:17 GMT -5
Good points. But how much experience does DCL have in Asia? Will they be looking to create a network of Asian TAs? DCL have struggled to fill their ships in Europe, where there isn’t the brand loyalty they perhaps enjoy in the US. The TA issue is another possible factor. Finding a DCL cruise specialist here is impossible. So if I want to book I’d have to find a US based TA. If you’re looking to attract a whole new client base then DCL need local TAs who can push DCL with the kind of perks US clients get. I will be interested to watch what happens. Will....For starters, they have three theme park locations in Asia.
Asians have a deeper love of Disney, then Europeans as a whole. Disneyland in Paris has always struggled.
DCL in Europe is a hard sell for Europeans. Its not like sailing out of Florida, there is no Castaway Cay or Lighthouse Point.....those a huge selling points. Without them, its just another Caribbean cruise, for 50% more cost. I think the Asian Cruises will have the same problem, you need to either offer something more or your costs need to come down to the competition. At least DCL will have a starting advantage of a cheap upfront cost, for a new ship. For example, we did the British Isle cruise prior to covid. We priced DCL and compared to Princess. The DCL cruise was 50% more cost and was less days then the Princess cruise. It made zero sense to use DCL and pay more, and got less. That cruise is port heavy and do not need all the Disney stuff during the cruise. It was the same thing when we sailed to Alaska. We choose NCL over DCL because for the money, we got a lot more out of cruise.
And yes, Disney will have to develop a TA program there, which will not be easy. Its a different market, different culture, different rules.
Completely agree here! Port-heavy sailings leave very little time to enjoy a ship's amenities. Early mornings and exhausted after long, adventurous days. We did RCCL in the Med and it was a lovely ship, but really more of a floating hotel. |
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