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Post by donalddork on Jun 17, 2023 18:52:38 GMT -5
Hi, Jamie. You know me....I'm a camera snob. I'm currently running Sony A7Rii with a Sony 20-70/4 (a fantastic compromise lens, much like your 24-105) and a Tamron 35-150/2~2.8 (which delivers absolutely delicious results, but is bulky and very heavy). I really can't imagine NOT having a high-end camera until the phones can do an equal job. Having said that, I really don't think it will be long before photo AI in phones will rival very expensive equipment. That's when I'll ditch the bulky gear.
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Post by aznosredna on Jun 18, 2023 1:05:24 GMT -5
I upgraded from Canon T3i to a Canon R with a 24-105 lens right before COVID. I find that I have now got equipment that exceeds my skill, but I am definitely learning how to catch up.
Addition to that I usually also carry my Narrative Clip2, CammPro Body Cam and a GoPro 5 Session (mounted on top of the Canon).
Even with a Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra phone, I just cannot take a decent picture with a phone. I cannot stabilize it enough.
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Post by captjacksfamily on Jun 18, 2023 1:59:14 GMT -5
Good Morning From Zermatt Switzerland. To make the Disney connection we are at the base of the real Matterhorn and if Tink is going to fly from the top of this one she is going to need one of those flying squirrel suits.  I started with Canon equipment but moved to Sony centering on the A6000 APS camera (now I also have a 6500). The change was made in an effort to shrink the overall kit in both size and weight. While my Sony 100-400G is still pretty heavy, you can get smaller lighter lenses for travel. In one case we had a small pancake lens so the the camera could fit into a cycling jersey pocket when we were on tandem bike tours. As far as the gear goes my philosophy was always to dedicate the major part of my photography budget to the glass. Camera body’s change every couple of years but good glass is forever. Also I always bought full frame lenses even when shouting APS format because I didn’t want to need to replace the glass should I go to a FF camera. This has paid off since my daughter bought a Sony A7 and she can use my lens kit. If you are interested in Disney photography there is a Facebook site i found a couple months ago call “Instatute of Disney Photography” that has some nice shots. |
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Post by brp on Jun 18, 2023 9:30:57 GMT -5
Hi, Jamie. You know me....I'm a camera snob. I'm currently running Sony A7Rii with a Sony 20-70/4 (a fantastic compromise lens, much like your 24-105) and a Tamron 35-150/2~2.8 (which delivers absolutely delicious results, but is bulky and very heavy). I really can't imagine NOT having a high-end camera until the phones can do an equal job. Having said that, I really don't think it will be long before photo AI in phones will rival very expensive equipment. That's when I'll ditch the bulky gear. Back when I was buying more expensive equipment (this was in the last century), Tamron was considered the "affordable" and OK lens versus the "real " brand names. Has that changed in all this time to where they are competitive.
For me, it's not that I have any belief that the phone can rival the real gear. I just wonder if, after a bit of time, I'll consider it worth the hassle to carry around the good stuff for the few shots I would realistically take where the phone just doesn't work.
One thought is to have a nicer camera for wandering around near home. With the wealth of architecture and outdoor spaces in California, I could spend the rest of my life exploring without going far...and not worry about lugging the gear on real travel.
A thought.
Cheers.
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Post by helenabear on Jun 18, 2023 12:36:27 GMT -5
So I invested thousands at one point into amazing camera and lenses and all that jazz. Took cameras with me everywhere especially when my kid was little and had a diaper bag. Then the stroller went away and I realized what I can carry as my issues got worse as time went on turned into nearly nothing. Some days I can only carry my cell phone and even that can be hard as cross body straps holding cell phones hurt me. It's tough to admit that you cannot do stuff. Instead, I have an amazing camera on my phone (consistently ranked at the top or near top) that hasn't failed me yet. This is what I fear/expect to happen with me. The hassle factor (even if not a Hasselblad  ) will outweigh (literally) other considerations and the equipment will sit in a closet. I also try not to take quite so many pictures as I missed moments. I still came home with about 1000 photos to sort last week. Word. We go to a lot of concerts (23 so far this year). I am disappointed by the number of screens I see filming the songs rather than have people experience things live. It's easy to see that these videos will be mediocre at best and nowhere near what things are like live. I might take an occasional picture if up very close, but then put it away. Some examples, and all iPhone     Cheers. admittedly I do have issues that make carrying stuff and even being out and about harder, but it is more of a hassle to take around as a whole even if you don't struggle the way I do with things. I used to pack soooo much in my bags for the camera. Now it can fit in a small bag or a male sized pocket. I also bought some of those running bands, so if I am having a really bad day, I can tuck it away at my waist in a pocket that it actually fits into. I have recorded some concerts and such of my own kid and what I try to do now is hold the phone close to me after I know it's framed right. So I record without bothering others as much and get to see it with my own eyes. All good in the end for me, but being present is more important that recording something. |
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Post by dlwdwdvc on Jun 18, 2023 15:42:26 GMT -5
Thanks CaptJack…going to check out your suggestion now Institute of Disney Photography
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Post by donalddork on Jun 18, 2023 21:17:53 GMT -5
This is a very compelling thought. I just re-read my previous post, and I think AI will soon do amazing things. When that time comes, I will ditch my bulky gear.
IMO, what's deceiving about phone photos - and in particular the iPhone because that's all I have experience with - is that on an iOS screen the native iPhone photos are designed to look fabulous. But if you download them and then look at them in neutral software, they are NOT nearly as good as a high quality camera. I know this only from my extensive experience...I just have an eye for it, and most people can't see it. Like I said, camera snob.
BUT when AI fully evolves, and I know it will, THAT'S when fiction will become reality and the excellent physical cameras of today (that I love) will become obsolete. I don't dread that day...I look forward to it. But for now, my full frame camera with current lens technology is what I want my children and grandchildren to see in the coming decades.
And now thinking about that statement, in context of AI and machine learning, I feel even stronger about it. The better the data you give an AI or ML model, the better it can do. So using a 42 megapixel sensor with a high res lens, the better the models will be when (not if) they use my photos to learn and improve. That's the end game.
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Post by tomandrobin on Jun 19, 2023 7:28:48 GMT -5
I am disappointed by the number of screens I see filming the songs rather than have people experience things live. I love seeing old concerts on tv or youtube, then realizing it was before everyone had a phone and I really enjoy seeing the sea of people that are actually watching the performers and soaking it all in. Funny that you past this.....Last night before bed, we were watching a AC/DC concert. Robin was wondering when it was filmed. When the camera panned out to the crowds, the one thing that jumped out was there were no phones being held up in the air. Easy to date the concert to being in the late 80's or early 90s. |
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Post by henrycpa on Jun 22, 2023 10:36:41 GMT -5
Ok, since it sounds like many are using their phone for at least part of their photography, I was wondering what is different about using my phone vs my camera. Setting etc.
anyone used the "iPhone Photo Academy" as a source to learn how to use your iphone camera?
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Post by WDWGoof on Jun 22, 2023 11:55:23 GMT -5
I love seeing old concerts on tv or youtube, then realizing it was before everyone had a phone and I really enjoy seeing the sea of people that are actually watching the performers and soaking it all in. Funny that you past this.....Last night before bed, we were watching a AC/DC concert. Robin was wondering when it was filmed. When the camera panned out to the crowds, the one thing that jumped out was there were no phones being held up in the air. Easy to date the concert to being in the late 80's or early 90s. I said pretty much the same thing when watching a Queen at Live Aid video, Look, no phones! |
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Post by dlwdwdvc on Jun 22, 2023 13:32:07 GMT -5
APPLE.com also has free online sessions and in your local store .
Great for all ages just check out the Calendar and it will ask your location , etc
The closest location in Orlando area is The Millenia Mall and The Florida Mall …
Free and educational and fun . Probably have to pre- register nowadays .
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Post by brp on Jun 22, 2023 13:37:34 GMT -5
Funny that you past this.....Last night before bed, we were watching a AC/DC concert. Robin was wondering when it was filmed. When the camera panned out to the crowds, the one thing that jumped out was there were no phones being held up in the air. Easy to date the concert to being in the late 80's or early 90s. I said pretty much the same thing when watching a Queen at Live Aid video, Look, no phones! I have the video of Live Aid and Freddie is transcendent, as is Sir Bob Geldof.
Cheers.
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Post by donalddork on Jun 22, 2023 19:48:21 GMT -5
Ok, since it sounds like many are using their phone for at least part of their photography, I was wondering what is different about using my phone vs my camera. Setting etc. anyone used the "iPhone Photo Academy" as a source to learn how to use your iphone camera? Jamie, the iPhone is tuned to make its own photos look fabulous when viewed on an iPhone or iPad. If you pull the photo into a real computer you'll see the (many) flaws in a phone picture. Granted, this is coming from a camera snob. For 95% of people, it won't matter, which is why I am reluctant to criticize people who use phones for photos, because if you're in perfect light, ANY camera will do a great job. It's all about the light. I have a great example below:
The top photo was taken in perfect light (morning) with an iPhone 8 (let that sink in, because the current iPhone is the iPhone 14) and the bottom photo was in the dark of night with a Sony A7Rii full frame stabilized sensor and a reasonably fast f/4 lens. In the morning photo, both would have been great...but there's NO WAY the iPhone could have captured the night fireworks photo.
But as a personal preference, it's worth it to me to have the extra buttery smoothness of a full frame sensor with good (or great) glass.
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Post by henrycpa on Jun 23, 2023 10:37:48 GMT -5
Ok, since it sounds like many are using their phone for at least part of their photography, I was wondering what is different about using my phone vs my camera. Setting etc. anyone used the "iPhone Photo Academy" as a source to learn how to use your iphone camera? Jamie, the iPhone is tuned to make its own photos look fabulous when viewed on an iPhone or iPad. If you pull the photo into a real computer you'll see the (many) flaws in a phone picture. Granted, this is coming from a camera snob. For 95% of people, it won't matter, which is why I am reluctant to criticize people who use phones for photos, because if you're in perfect light, ANY camera will do a great job. It's all about the light. I have a great example below:
The top photo was taken in perfect light (morning) with an iPhone 8 (let that sink in, because the current iPhone is the iPhone 14) and the bottom photo was in the dark of night with a Sony A7Rii full frame stabilized sensor and a reasonably fast f/4 lens. In the morning photo, both would have been great...but there's NO WAY the iPhone could have captured the night fireworks photo.
But as a personal preference, it's worth it to me to have the extra buttery smoothness of a full frame sensor with good (or great) glass.
Frank, I think this may be another one of my biggest weakness with the "real gear". Equipment, or better said, equipment I am willing to pack and take with me. I do not bring a tripod so am always limited to my "human tripod" for good quality shots like your firework shot. Which means, there will almost always be blur killing the quality. |
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Jun 23, 2023 11:41:14 GMT -5
I do not bring a tripod so am always limited to my "human tripod" for good quality shots like your firework shot. Which means, there will almost always be blur killing the quality. There are those little tiny tripods one can get, with flexible bendy arms, you could then get it set on a railing or something. Or if the arms are a little longer, they can wrap around poles etc. |
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