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Post by lephelps on Jan 27, 2023 7:45:37 GMT -5
Question for whomever might know; very low priority but I'm curious if this is working per design, a ProBoards glitch, or maybe just desktop Safari behavior? I've noticed a few times when reading posts for a thread that the response/option buttons on the top right of individual posts will vary, sometimes I see the full line of buttons but sometimes the Reply and LOL buttons are missing. What I've just discovered is the missing buttons happen when I use the browser forward and back buttons to navigate between between pages of a multi-page thread...something I tend to do if I want to flip to a prior page briefly before returning to the current one. Here are the reduced post options I see when using the browser forward/back function to change thread pages instead of the Prev/Next/<page #> buttons floating at the top left: Now that I know why it's happening, I know how to avoid it but I'm still curious if this is per design (or bug) or something to do with a forum setting?
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Post by helenabear on Jan 27, 2023 9:12:46 GMT -5
I have yet to see that. Sorry. I have limited abilities to test Safari too and all my personal postings are on Chrome or Brave. Do they reappear with refreshing the page?
Could be even just a you glitch or something else on your end. I'll see if others report it but I don't think it's a real software bug
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Post by helenabear on Jan 27, 2023 10:33:50 GMT -5
I have checked all over both proboards and plug in specific help and this has not been reported. My guess is it's a glitch on your end with loading, but not a problem others have seen to report or fix. Try freshing to see if it helps.
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Post by lephelps on Jan 27, 2023 11:40:59 GMT -5
Thanks. Yep, reloading the page after using the browser forward/back button brings the buttons back too. I'll have to see how Chrome and Edge behave on my Windows work laptop (haven't had a chance to test there) to see if the forward/back behavior is same or not. I was just glad to finally figure out the "inconsistency" in button availability I was seeing.
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Post by helenabear on Jan 27, 2023 12:45:02 GMT -5
Thanks. Yep, reloading the page after using the browser forward/back button brings the buttons back too. I'll have to see how Chrome and Edge behave on my Windows work laptop (haven't had a chance to test there) to see if the forward/back behavior is same or not. I was just glad to finally figure out the "inconsistency" in button availability I was seeing. Let me know how it goes. If it is a slow load issue so to speak, then likely not much to do outside out refreshing. I'll watch for it too but I haven't seen it sadly nor had anyone reported it for me to know how to fix or send in a bug report. I wish I could do more.
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Jan 27, 2023 20:46:35 GMT -5
Using Opera for a browser, which I believe is based on Chrome, Windows machine. I purposely went into a long thread so I could load a couple pages. Using my browser's "forward" and "back" buttons does, in fact, make the "reply" and LOL buttons go away. Using the "<<Prev" and "Next>>" buttons at the top of the thread, those buttons remain visible. I am not concerned though, tbh, I'm just testing because I'm an engineer and I had to see if it happened on my computer. Part of me thinks it has something to do with the fact that when you use the "<<Prev" or "Next>>" or "1" "2" etc buttons, it reloads the page, while when you click your browser's "forward" and "back" buttons, it pulls (mostly) from memory.
Actually, now I have to ask a question: What is the "Reply" button for? It is same as "quote" but without the quote. So it is creating a bare post, same as the "quick reply" (or "reply" as found in the "quick reply") box at the bottom. Or is it different somehow?
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Post by helenabear on Jan 27, 2023 21:15:03 GMT -5
Using Opera for a browser, which I believe is based on Chrome, Windows machine. I purposely went into a long thread so I could load a couple pages. Using my browser's "forward" and "back" buttons does, in fact, make the "reply" and LOL buttons go away. Using the "<<Prev" and "Next>>" buttons at the top of the thread, those buttons remain visible. I am not concerned though, tbh, I'm just testing because I'm an engineer and I had to see if it happened on my computer. Part of me thinks it has something to do with the fact that when you use the "<<Prev" or "Next>>" or "1" "2" etc buttons, it reloads the page, while when you click your browser's "forward" and "back" buttons, it pulls (mostly) from memory. Actually, now I have to ask a question: What is the "Reply" button for? It is same as "quote" but without the quote. So it is creating a bare post, same as the "quick reply" (or "reply" as found in the "quick reply") box at the bottom. Or is it different somehow? I have tried Opera just now and no dice on this. Opera is Chromium mostly. It does do some things to set it apart. I have no idea..... honestly no one has reported it. Or maybe I'm just not doing it how you are and others aren't? I'm unsure. These are plug ins and maybe no one is using enough to see. If I can replicate - which so far I cannot - I can send them a bug report and see. That said the reply button is there so you don't have to scroll to reply. Bare post. No quote. I will say this forum remembers more. It remembers your posts and where you are so maybe it's just not loading fast/correct I have no idea. I believe it is happening but I cannot fix.
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Post by lephelps on Jan 28, 2023 11:33:14 GMT -5
Just tested both Edge and Chrome on my Windows 10 laptop and they show the same behavior as Safari and what Adelard of Bath reports with Opera. Recreation steps: 1. Go to the Welcome to the Forums forum and click page 9 of the Post Counts thread. Full reply bar is visible. 2. From page 9 of the thread, click the page 8 button at the top to go to that page. Full reply bar is visible. 3. Click your browser's back button to go back to page 9. Only the partial reply bar is visible. I also verified the Back option from the right-click pop-up menu and the Back shortcut key options (<Alt>+<Left arrow> on Chrome and Edge, <Command>+<Left arrow> on Safari) produce the same behavior, and that a reload in each browser returns the full reply bar. Again, not so much a problem now that I know how to get the full bar back if I'm flipping between pages w/ the browser forward/back options...now I'm just on a mission to have helenabear join us in witnessing the issue, lol.
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Post by lephelps on Jan 28, 2023 11:48:17 GMT -5
I will say this forum remembers more. It remembers your posts and where you are so maybe it's just not loading fast/correct I have no idea. I believe it is happening but I cannot fix. FYI, I have noticed that ProBoards seems better at remembering what I've read and what I've yet to read and updating forum and thread status w/o having to refresh to get icon/status to update.
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Jan 28, 2023 12:10:16 GMT -5
w/o having to refresh to get icon/status to update. I've been running Opera for many years, they used to be their own code, rather than being based on Chrome. I forget when they announced they were switching to be based on chrome. But anyways, one of the things I REALLY liked about it way back when was that when I went "back", it was instant - completely from local memory. Other browsers at the time, I would hit "back" and it would reload the page. Drove me crazy. Opera would instantly show any page I had been to that session, back, forward, whatever, super fast. This was more important when internet was slow. Opera still pulls the page from local memory if I use "back" but I can see it thinking, so it must be loading something. But, even on this new ProBoards we are using, it will not show the updated icons for me until I actually reload the page - which for me usually means I've read everything and then I click the "new posts" button at the top just to see if anything new has happened in the last few minutes. I just had a though - wouldn't it be great (maybe) if I went to a page, and while I was reading, it could crawl through the links and pre-load that stuff for me. Like it could just do the first level of links, doing the whole page could turn out to be massive. And it could open a can of worms but I'm maybe liking this idea. Maybe it's a problem, since I haven't heard of it actually being a thing - I can't imagine I'm the first person to have thought of it.
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Post by lephelps on Jan 28, 2023 13:43:00 GMT -5
Opera still pulls the page from local memory if I use "back" but I can see it thinking, so it must be loading something. But, even on this new ProBoards we are using, it will not show the updated icons for me until I actually reload the page - which for me usually means I've read everything and then I click the "new posts" button at the top just to see if anything new has happened in the last few minutes. What I ran into w/ the software from the old board, which is likely partly due to my love of the browser back button to quickly flip back to pages vs. clicking a link to get to there and having them fully load again, was I could be in a forum and it would show no new posts for any threads but if I had the main page open in a separate tab (as I usually do) and refreshed, the main page would still show that forum having new, unread posts unless I refreshed the individual forum page. I've not encountered that yet with ProBoards here.
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Jan 28, 2023 18:47:33 GMT -5
What I ran into w/ the software from the old board, which is likely partly due to my love of the browser back button to quickly flip back to pages vs. clicking a link to get to there and having them fully load again, was I could be in a forum and it would show no new posts for any threads but if I had the main page open in a separate tab (as I usually do) and refreshed, the main page would still show that forum having new, unread posts unless I refreshed the individual forum page. I've not encountered that yet with ProBoards here. Oh that's interesting...hmm I don't know what to say about that. Out of curiosity, can you do something like I do all the time: you right click on a tab and choose "duplicate tab" which makes an exact copy of that tab's session, including previous pages etc. I use it all the time to explore my options on a page, without losing my place on that page or ruining what I've done there. When I'm done messing around, I close that duplicate tab and do what I need to do on the first tab. Sometimes useful for ordering things, often useful for pages that might timeout on me; I can pop open a duplicate tab and keep that one alive by clicking things, which makes the page think I'm still active so I don't get logged out of the first one. Used frequently on the DVC page when I am pondering points - I pop open another tab and click random things so it doesn't think I've walked away from the computer. They don't need to know I'm staring at my points, deep in thought.
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Post by helenabear on Jan 28, 2023 21:34:37 GMT -5
I will say this forum remembers more. It remembers your posts and where you are so maybe it's just not loading fast/correct I have no idea. I believe it is happening but I cannot fix. FYI, I have noticed that ProBoards seems better at remembering what I've read and what I've yet to read and updating forum and thread status w/o having to refresh to get icon/status to update. Yes it is. It will remember also what you have typed if you walk away. It's why some get a post count warning message though. It's updated for sure and a bit more modern without being too complicated
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Post by Adelard of Bath on Jan 29, 2023 13:15:33 GMT -5
It's why some get a post count warning message though. I get that, only when I start a new thread. Which is pretty rare.
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Post by lephelps on Jan 29, 2023 16:09:46 GMT -5
Oh that's interesting...hmm I don't know what to say about that. Out of curiosity, can you do something like I do all the time: you right click on a tab and choose "duplicate tab" which makes an exact copy of that tab's session, including previous pages etc. I use it all the time to explore my options on a page, without losing my place on that page or ruining what I've done there. When I'm done messing around, I close that duplicate tab and do what I need to do on the first tab. Sometimes useful for ordering things, often useful for pages that might timeout on me; I can pop open a duplicate tab and keep that one alive by clicking things, which makes the page think I'm still active so I don't get logged out of the first one. Used frequently on the DVC page when I am pondering points - I pop open another tab and click random things so it doesn't think I've walked away from the computer. They don't need to know I'm staring at my points, deep in thought. I don't do that exactly but I'm usually doing something similar. I'm a habitual "open link in new tab" user so I always have my base/main page available and then open links in new tabs and close them when I'm done. Like these forums...I have the main page open in a tab and then open any forums and posts in new tabs.
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