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Post by baymaxfan on Oct 4, 2024 9:23:56 GMT -5
Someone on the old site did a nice chart on the actual cost of each DVC room for certain seasons. They factored in buy-in cost, maintenance fees, and points per room. I believe they even made entries for resale buy in vs. direct buy in. It was pretty neat to look at the costs of a particular room size (e.g. 1-bedroom) across the board. That was years ago. I'm sure the newer resorts would blow away the older resorts in real cost per room.
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Post by helenabear on Oct 4, 2024 11:08:46 GMT -5
Someone on the old site did a nice chart on the actual cost of each DVC room for certain seasons. They factored in buy-in cost, maintenance fees, and points per room. I believe they even made entries for resale buy in vs. direct buy in. It was pretty neat to look at the costs of a particular room size (e.g. 1-bedroom) across the board. That was years ago. I'm sure the newer resorts would blow away the older resorts in real cost per room. It would be neat to see that and then the progression of cost over time. Like PVB points at opening were $160 and MFs were $6.02. A standard studio mid Jan for a weeknight would be 17 points. Now we're looking at $225 and $8.23 for MFs. Or maybe I don't want to do that. My OKW was $60/point and $3.68 to start with  |
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Oct 5, 2024 6:23:55 GMT -5
My guide didn’t send me this, but others received this email concerning FW;
The following units will be available for Favorite Weeks purchase beginning Tuesday, October 8, at 9 am EST for Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows:
One (1) Duo Studio Standard View Room (released on October 1)
Three (3) Deluxe Studio Standard View Rooms (released on October 1)
Three (3) Deluxe Studio Theme Park View Rooms
One (1) One Bedroom Standard View Room
Two (2) One Bedroom Theme Park View Rooms
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Oct 5, 2024 6:26:27 GMT -5
I don’t know if there are any Math guru’s here ( helenabear) but these are the units being projected by posters; So if the limiting factor for FWs is 35% of declared units, can we deduce what’s been declared includes: 3-5 Duo SV 9-11 Studio SV 9-11 Studio TPV 3-5 1B SV And 6-8 1B TPV Are these accurate assessments? Seems pretty slim. And we still don’t know for which weeks. |
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Post by helenabear on Oct 5, 2024 8:31:40 GMT -5
I don’t know if there are any Math guru’s here ( helenabear) but these are the units being projected by posters; So if the limiting factor for FWs is 35% of declared units, can we deduce what’s been declared includes: 3-5 Duo SV 9-11 Studio SV 9-11 Studio TPV 3-5 1B SV And 6-8 1B TPV Are these accurate assessments? Seems pretty slim. And we still don’t know for which weeks. I've been behind since I'm in band over drive. I have to leave soon for an OSU thing with our HS band. Roughly 20% are usually declared before sales begin. And as more sell more are declared. They also publicly list the declarations A quick google gave me this declaration: Based on the documents filed with the Orange County Comptroller, the declared units include 40 rooms on the first, second, third, seventh, and ninth floors of the Island Tower. Among the declared rooms are 9 Duo Studios, 14 Deluxe Studios, 4 One Bedroom Villas, 10 Two Bedroom Lock-off Villas, 1 Two Bedroom Villa, and 2 Two Bedroom Penthouse Villas. dvcfan.com/dvc-resorts/polynesian/dvc-declares-inventory-at-the-polynesian-island-tower/That is roughly 20% though a bit under. As sales happen more will be declared as well. |
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Post by helenabear on Oct 5, 2024 15:45:25 GMT -5
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Post by helenabear on Oct 5, 2024 15:51:50 GMT -5
I just talked with my current guide this afternoon and the demand is high. He mentioned it only because usually e sign documents come quickly, but he said give it up to a day to see them to sign them. Points are already loaded though for us. He also did confirm that they plan to have these online as well as calling. I plan to be online looking it hopes to get our two bedroom Theme Park View. He said I should be decent with those because they are high point rooms so likely not as high of demand. Especially since comparatively, we own more points at Polynesian and a lot of other Polynesian owners do. Said to just be on it. I think it will be an 11-month booking for many things. And I should probably copy and paste this into the other thread as well.
Copying this from the other thread
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Post by BWV Dreamin on Oct 5, 2024 17:45:15 GMT -5
Yeah!!!!!!! Happy for you!!!! |
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Post by helenabear on Oct 5, 2024 19:42:38 GMT -5
Yeah!!!!!!! Happy for you!!!! I feel good about this. Of course had I not lost the one contract to ROFR, I'd not have needed to add on, but this is fine. New guide is a good guy and thinks it's smart to do both direct and resale. Didn't blame me a bit. Just gotta wait until the 15th to book. |
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Post by Brian5581 on Oct 6, 2024 15:41:12 GMT -5
Congratulations on your purchase! |
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Post by jawfish on Oct 6, 2024 22:55:12 GMT -5
When we looked at adding on resale, I did this elaborate spreadsheet. Compared maintenance fees and such. PVB was not all that more expensive when you factored in 45 years (at that time) of maintenance fees. My reasoning was, I can always use those points at SSr and extend my points, but when I want PVB, I get 11-month advantage. So we own all Poly points. No regrets.
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Post by fuzzylogic on Oct 7, 2024 8:05:07 GMT -5
I'm really thinking about this now. Should we buy in? We still find ourselves transferring and renting to supplement our stays, so I know we're under- in the points we need... but kids going to college soon, will we reign in our 42 Disney days a year? We already have a happy life at BLT and Boardwalk... my 2nd and 3rd favorite resorts. Poly is of course my favorite, and we've never bought here due to A) No 2Bs and B) the studios being so far from the Ceremonial House. The new tower addresses A) finally, and B) a little, but still leaves you in a side building that's a good walk to the volcano pool (but it will have its own private pool).
Booking these 2Bs is a whopping 70 (ballpark) points per night. That's hard to love. 100 points would get basically, 3 nights in a 2B every other year. Alternatively, we'll pay around $4000 cash for such a stay. Comparing to BLT where it's around 55 per night, or Boardwalk 45, this 70 point per night baseline is really steep.
Pros...
* Due to the high PPN, the 2Bs won't be a hot 11 mo thing... (but will sell out by 7 mo) so I'll generally have my pick of S, P, TP. S's will sell out first, but I prefer P and TP so that additionally works in my favor.
Cons...
* $25K for 3 nights every other year.
* 70 points @ $15pp is $1050. @ $20pp is $1400. A fair value falls somewhere in there. I can book a Poly resort room right now for $558, call it $1200 for 2 rooms. That's pretty much a wash in true cost to stay. Yeah you lose some comforts but for us, 2 rooms is about equal in value to a 2B because 2 rooms in the Resort are closer to the feature pools.
So-- I dunno! I did not have any plan to buy Poly, but we have a 3-night stay coming up next spring that will run us $4K -- Our first 2 years of points would cover this and give us that "credit" on the purchase. When you're offsetting an immediate cash stay that adds a nice incentive to add on.
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Post by tomandrobin on Oct 7, 2024 9:10:01 GMT -5
Congrats on the new Poly Points!
We are sticking to the points we have and will look to get another resale later (or 2, or 3....lol).
If I owned at the first Poly release or was a Poly fan from my childhood, I would own at the new Poly Tower. Not having restrictions is a huge draw or any new builds going forward. Reflections will have the same problem as Riveria does because of the resale restrictions.
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Post by helenabear on Oct 7, 2024 12:09:00 GMT -5
When we looked at adding on resale, I did this elaborate spreadsheet. Compared maintenance fees and such. PVB was not all that more expensive when you factored in 45 years (at that time) of maintenance fees. My reasoning was, I can always use those points at SSr and extend my points, but when I want PVB, I get 11-month advantage. So we own all Poly points. No regrets. That's why my last 2 purchases were PVB specifically. I want the 11 month advantage there. Also why we did CCV... smaller resorts need the advantage. I'm really thinking about this now. Should we buy in? We still find ourselves transferring and renting to supplement our stays, so I know we're under- in the points we need... but kids going to college soon, will we reign in our 42 Disney days a year? We already have a happy life at BLT and Boardwalk... my 2nd and 3rd favorite resorts. Poly is of course my favorite, and we've never bought here due to A) No 2Bs and B) the studios being so far from the Ceremonial House. The new tower addresses A) finally, and B) a little, but still leaves you in a side building that's a good walk to the volcano pool (but it will have its own private pool). Booking these 2Bs is a whopping 70 (ballpark) points per night. That's hard to love. 100 points would get basically, 3 nights in a 2B every other year. Alternatively, we'll pay around $4000 cash for such a stay. Comparing to BLT where it's around 55 per night, or Boardwalk 45, this 70 point per night baseline is really steep. Pros... * Due to the high PPN, the 2Bs won't be a hot 11 mo thing... (but will sell out by 7 mo) so I'll generally have my pick of S, P, TP. S's will sell out first, but I prefer P and TP so that additionally works in my favor. Cons... * $25K for 3 nights every other year. * 70 points @ $15pp is $1050. @ $20pp is $1400. A fair value falls somewhere in there. I can book a Poly resort room right now for $558, call it $1200 for 2 rooms. That's pretty much a wash in true cost to stay. Yeah you lose some comforts but for us, 2 rooms is about equal in value to a 2B because 2 rooms in the Resort are closer to the feature pools. So-- I dunno! I did not have any plan to buy Poly, but we have a 3-night stay coming up next spring that will run us $4K -- Our first 2 years of points would cover this and give us that "credit" on the purchase. When you're offsetting an immediate cash stay that adds a nice incentive to add on. Looking at that price you're going to be paying in the spring, I would probably be adding on as well. I know the upfront and the maintenance fees and all that plan to everything, but I can stomach this easier than I could stomach doing cash for the same rooms. We definitely would not be doing two bedrooms for three people near as much as we are now. I do think that having the 11 month window will be important here. Even for two bedrooms. I agree that you won't have to be on right at 11 months, but they definitely will sell out. Especially those who are planning only standard ever. Since I added on I'm going to attempt to do our three nights in March in a one bedroom. It is just my son and myself, but this will be his last high school trip during spring break with just me. I am sure he and I will find times to go while he is in college. I added on knowing that maybe in a couple years I will either be selling or renting out my okw points at 7 months. I know things will be changing, and I'm preparing for that. I'm also preparing for the expiration of our original contract in 2042. At that point I will just be about 65, my husband is 64. And my kid will possibly be wanting to do family trips. Whether we sell it or keep it is going to be our question in the next few years. But I'm mentally ready to give it up or rent out completely at least for a while. That contract was paid off 20 years ago though, so I don't feel bad one way or another with whatever we do decide. Congrats on the new Poly Points! We are sticking to the points we have and will look to get another resale later (or 2, or 3....lol). If I owned at the first Poly release or was a Poly fan from my childhood, I would own at the new Poly Tower. Not having restrictions is a huge draw or any new builds going forward. Reflections will have the same problem as Riveria does because of the resale restrictions. I was doing math of resale vs direct for small contracts and believe it or not, direct won out. Right now PVB is still really costly in resale. When I did the math of closing costs and getting 2024 points and no MFs (okay 2 weeks, but that's not much) it was a wash. The majority of my PVB are direct as we bought at the beginning. Then the one resale this summer and now this direct contract. It's small but meant to allow flexibility. Having no major resale restrictions is good too for selling if I needed. But these points will be the last I ever sell! I am also a bit of a geek and like to look up to see what teeny percentage of which unit we own. So I know where in Old Key west, Polynesian, and Copper Creek that we technically own. Admittedly being able to say I technically own a tiny chunk of the Island Tower made me happy too. Silly, I know. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Oct 7, 2024 13:20:41 GMT -5
I was doing math of resale vs direct for small contracts and believe it or not, direct won out. Right now PVB is still really costly in resale. When I did the math of closing costs and getting 2024 points and no MFs (okay 2 weeks, but that's not much) it was a wash. The majority of my PVB are direct as we bought at the beginning. Then the one resale this summer and now this direct contract. It's small but meant to allow flexibility. Having no major resale restrictions is good too for selling if I needed. But these points will be the last I ever sell! I am also a bit of a geek and like to look up to see what teeny percentage of which unit we own. So I know where in Old Key west, Polynesian, and Copper Creek that we technically own. Admittedly being able to say I technically own a tiny chunk of the Island Tower made me happy too. Silly, I know. Its been awhile since I have done a direct vs resale comparison, but for the Poly Tower, I am sure the direct pricing works out in your favor.
Extra points. loaded immediately, no ROFR, less closing......over the life of the contract, say for a 50 point add-on, almost like rounding up to the closet dollar.
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