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Post by brp on Jun 27, 2024 13:09:50 GMT -5
If they want to give it a new name, just call it what it is, paid FP+. The one advantage that I say, I'll admit, is that you can book another once you use one.With the old system, it seems to me that you had to use all 3 that you'd pre-ordered before you could book any more. I haven't used Genie +, but depending on the cost, I may use this-but only on solo trips. I can't see using it on family trips, with 6 of us. After paying tickets costs, meals, hotel for a day, another $150 or so (maybe more) hurts too much to think of. Interested in more info about it, though. Except it seems that it is not just paid FP+. FP+ included all rides except VQ rides. This one carves out an upper tier that is not available. Basically the rides that people would want. They're not even in play in this system and require individual purchase from what I'm reading above.
We can continue to rope drop FoP, RotR, 7DMT. Don't give a shit about GotG, and can VQ TRON, if that stays around. Else rope drop that instead of 7DMT some days.
The Tier2 stuff is usually easy to just ride, so why pay for it?
Cheers.
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Post by helenabear on Jun 27, 2024 13:23:03 GMT -5
Hadn't followed all of these details. Based on what you wrote above, if it really does roll out this way, I like it less. Particularly: not including even 1 Tier1 in the main offering, requiring an additional payment for another Tier 2 after using it. This is now sounding less appealing than I had first thought. Rope drop will have to do. Cheers. It's not like that. Helena's looking at the Tier-1 and Tier-2 and saying "but you don't even get the primo ride". She's calling Tier-1 a mid-level ride and only the VQ rides a top level. It's a different way to look at it, but it's not the terminology Disney uses so it adds confusion. But having these 3 different levels is what people are unhappy about. You can't just pay and be done, it's extra add ons people are not loving. Only having AK with no tiers is appealing to me. To say that BTM is top is really laughable to me. Basically, it's like the old FP+ with the exception of having to pay for it and still having individual LL rides. So, it's like FP-. Overall, it's still an improvement over the current system. At the end of the day, has anyone seen what other parks charge for priority access? Sometimes I wish Disney would just charge what everyone else is charging but they make it so you can go on most rides without having to think about it. Bingo on FP- but still better than G+ I have been looking at other parks to compare. Disney loses the onsite advantage again. Beyond that it's not always apples to apples to compare FOTL vs LL If they want to give it a new name, just call it what it is, paid FP+. The one advantage that I say, I'll admit, is that you can book another once you use one.With the old system, it seems to me that you had to use all 3 that you'd pre-ordered before you could book any more. I haven't used Genie +, but depending on the cost, I may use this-but only on solo trips. I can't see using it on family trips, with 6 of us. After paying tickets costs, meals, hotel for a day, another $150 or so (maybe more) hurts too much to think of. Interested in more info about it, though. Except it seems that it is not just paid FP+. FP+ included all rides except VQ rides. This one carves out an upper tier that is not available. Basically the rides that people would want. They're not even in play in this system and require individual purchase from what I'm reading above. We can continue to rope drop FoP, RotR, 7DMT. Don't give a shit about GotG, and can VQ TRON, if that stays around. Else rope drop that instead of 7DMT some days. The Tier2 stuff is usually easy to just ride, so why pay for it? Cheers. Exactly what I was getting at as to why people are not thrilled still. |
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Post by baymaxfan on Jun 27, 2024 14:01:06 GMT -5
If this were like old FP+, I would buy this. As it currently stands, I would only very rarely buy this just as I currently very rarely purchase G+.
I'm more likely to purchase an individual LL (or whatever the new name is) and then rope drop everything else.
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Post by fuzzylogic on Jun 27, 2024 14:06:25 GMT -5
You can't just pay and be done. So if you can buy Single for $30 and/or Multi for $40, your preference would be that Disney only offer one price of $70 and you have to get both so that you can make one purchase and be done? I'd like that less. A lot less. I'd be very unlikely to buy ~ever~ if my only choice was to buy everything or nothing. I might want just Multi - I don't need the LL+ for Rise; I get on that no problem. I might want the opposite - just another ride on Guardians, but not commit to a Multi day. I definitely see the option to spend $30 on this or $40 on that and not having to buy both as a benefit. I like the flexibility. |
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Post by baymaxfan on Jun 27, 2024 14:17:54 GMT -5
You can't just pay and be done. So if you can buy Single for $30 and/or Multi for $40, your preference would be that Disney only offer one price of $70 and you have to get both so that you can make one purchase and be done? I'd like that less. A lot less. I'd be very unlikely to buy ~ever~ if my only choice was to buy everything or nothing. I might want just Multi - I don't need the LL+ for Rise; I get on that no problem. I might want the opposite - just another ride on Guardians, but not commit to a Multi day. I definitely see the option to spend $30 on this or $40 on that and not having to buy both as a benefit to buy just what I want. In my perfect world, I would prefer an all-inclusive front of the line pass like they have at other theme parks. One price (yes, it would be higher), but no thinking. I can go on every current LL ride once with the pass at whatever time I want. Since less people would purchase, you could pretty much walk on all the rides and it would have a much lower impact on standby wait times. There could even be 2 types - one for a single park and one that could be used in all 4 parks. If not that, then my 2nd preference would be like old FP+ with one tier 1 ride (the current ILL rides) and two tier 2 rides (everything else). |
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Post by helenabear on Jun 27, 2024 14:19:28 GMT -5
You can't just pay and be done. So if you can buy Single for $30 and/or Multi for $40, your preference would be that Disney only offer one price of $70 and you have to get both so that you can make one purchase and be done? I'd like that less. A lot less. I'd be very unlikely to buy ~ever~ if my only choice was to buy everything or nothing. I might want just Multi - I don't need the LL+ for Rise; I get on that no problem. I might want the opposite - just another ride on Guardians, but not commit to a Multi day. I definitely see the option to spend $30 on this or $40 on that and not having to buy both as a benefit to buy just what I want. I like the flexibility. Who said $70? You're now just making stuff up. Not sure why you're arguing with me as I am just explaining issues of others. They hate tiers on top of a top tier ride purchase. Not hard to follow why. I'm likely not buying it at all for this next Gen of Fifth element wanna be ness (joke on the SW resort and now this) We sometimes do Tron or GotG if VQ times are bad but nah, this isn't what I'll likely do. I've literally bought G+ once in all my trips. Not my thing. If combined you got a deal I might consider though truly. But reality is giving G+ after FP+ and then charging and now charging more for inferior screams money grabs. People aren't happy with this idea. What do I think Disney should do? Offer a real freaking perk to onsite people. This having to convert to DVC and slash room prices says they're struggling. Want to make more? Make onsite comparable to other places with perks. Or make this LL line better because paying 15 minutes to wait in line in the fast line is bunk. Glad you're happy. Many are not. |
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Post by fuzzylogic on Jun 27, 2024 14:48:46 GMT -5
You said you wanted one price for both. The LL+ rides and T1 rides in one purchase. To get Multi and a Single would just be adding the cost of both. Whatever price you guess, they'll probly be in the $30-$40 range like they are now. I think the opposite -- having the a la carte offering is more useful since I can pick just what I want each day. Make onsite comparable to other places with perks. Well, Cedar Point charges $95 excluding their top 3 rides, or $120 for all. So........ [shrug] I wouldn't want this to be $120. I would not spend $500 /day buying for my kids. What do I think Disney should do? Offer a real freaking perk to onsite people. Like what for example? The 3-day vs 7-day is really cool. I would hate this if I was an off-siter. The T1 rides will be picked over and LL+ sold out. This is a huge onsite perk. Getting to select all your rides and times before anyone offsite even gets to touch the system! Glad you're happy. Many are not. It's not a happy / sad thing for me I look at this and think how can I make this benefit me. I went thru this w the FP- to FP+ transition too. Everyone hated the change back then. And it's already pointed out that it's not actually worse than G+, it's better in several ways, and prioritizes onsite guests above others. It may not be everything you want, but it seems what you want is to get everything. That's not realistic to give every guest every ride for cheap; it's just math. |
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Post by helenabear on Jun 27, 2024 17:20:28 GMT -5
You said you wanted one price for both. The LL+ rides and T1 rides in one purchase. To get Multi and a Single would just be adding the cost of both. Whatever price you guess, they'll probly be in the $30-$40 range like they are now. I think the opposite -- having the a la carte offering is more useful since I can pick just what I want each day. Make onsite comparable to other places with perks. Well, Cedar Point charges $95 excluding their top 3 rides, or $120 for all. So........ [shrug] I wouldn't want this to be $120. I would not spend $500 /day buying for my kids. What do I think Disney should do? Offer a real freaking perk to onsite people. Like what for example? The 3-day vs 7-day is really cool. I would hate this if I was an off-siter. The T1 rides will be picked over and LL+ sold out. This is a huge onsite perk. Getting to select all your rides and times before anyone offsite even gets to touch the system! Glad you're happy. Many are not. It's not a happy / sad thing for me I look at this and think how can I make this benefit me. I went thru this w the FP- to FP+ transition too. Everyone hated the change back then. And it's already pointed out that it's not actually worse than G+, it's better in several ways, and prioritizes onsite guests above others. It may not be everything you want, but it seems what you want is to get everything. That's not realistic to give every guest every ride for cheap; it's just math. I think you're quoting the wrong person here honestly. Or you missed this was what others have shared elsewhere and that I likely won't use it because I don't really ever use G+ either. We're AP so if we miss we miss. So enjoy your day though don't use CP FOTL with people. You can get in for $50 to start with and FOTL access is not the same  |
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Post by Brian5581 on Jun 27, 2024 19:55:46 GMT -5
Definitely an improvement overall, doubt I’ll use it beyond a few days a year. It’ll do. It’ll change again.
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Post by jawfish on Jun 27, 2024 23:58:57 GMT -5
I was excited until I saw tiers were staying. No slinky and rise, I have to pick only one after paying extra. That means still at least one long wait. Ugh. Why can’t Disney get this right? I loved the old system with the 60-day out booking. There was a limit of some sort. We could pick what we wanted. At the scheduled time (think it was 5am) you would start making choices and things ran out. Not sure why, but that was the system I truly loved and would have paid for. I show up and know what I am doing. So really, the tiers are what bother me I guess like others are saying. Once I looked at the details, nothing will really change for us. I’ll buy FoP, Rise and then maybe do the LL Multi at HS or Epcot. What I do like is the ability to plan ahead. That raises another issue. You can book your entire stay day 1. So my day 1 is someone else’s day 2, another’s day 3, etc. When I go to book, a bunch of stuff will be taken already. I won’t find this out until AFTER I pay. Wonder how they will deal with this? |
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Post by bakerworld on Jun 28, 2024 7:51:25 GMT -5
I use to think people were crazy about complaining at being 'forced' (who was forcing them?) to book rides ahead sitting in the comfort of their home. IMO, those complainers are to blame the development of G+. If I can book a ride from my home a week out I might. That said, if the charge is ridiculous, like $20/pp, then I'll do without.
However, I do admit that I order a $40 beer 6-pack to be placed in our DCL cabin cooler rather than buying one for $17 and lugging it around until the cabin is ready. Priorities.
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Post by helenabear on Jun 28, 2024 9:04:30 GMT -5
I loved the old system with the 60-day out booking. There was a limit of some sort. We could pick what we wanted. At the scheduled time (think it was 5am) you would start making choices and things ran out. Not sure why, but that was the system I truly loved and would have paid for. I show up and know what I am doing. So really, the tiers are what bother me I guess like others are saying. Once I looked at the details, nothing will really change for us. I’ll buy FoP, Rise and then maybe do the LL Multi at HS or Epcot. What I do like is the ability to plan ahead. That raises another issue. You can book your entire stay day 1. So my day 1 is someone else’s day 2, another’s day 3, etc. When I go to book, a bunch of stuff will be taken already. I won’t find this out until AFTER I pay. Wonder how they will deal with this? Screen shots show you will not pay until after you confirm rides for each day. Definitely an improvement overall, doubt I’ll use it beyond a few days a year. It’ll do. It’ll change again. The last is definitely true. I have no plans until sometime next year and even then it's questionable when due to some crap at home. I know by the time I go it will probably change again |
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Post by MinnieMom on Jun 28, 2024 10:21:23 GMT -5
How many times has Disney changed this front-of-line system in past decade? Enough I'm not fretting about this change - - long view, it will be temporary as well.
FWIW, Universal wins hands down in my view on how they handle front of line access. FOTL access is included when staying onsite at a Premier level hotel. Otherwise it starts at $90 per person per day. If you have the access, you go to the short line. If you don't, you don't.
I've never done FOTL pass for Universal. I'm not a thrill ride person, so I've rather spring for an AP and enjoy more overall time in the parks. Ditto overall for Disney. I've never paid for Fast Pass / Lightning Lane or any iteration outright, although I did enjoy the game of getting the best rides for our family when onsite guests had a 30/60 day booking advantage.
But for sheer simplicity, I'd take the Universal style FOTL pass every single time. If memory serves, Legoland essentially replicated it in their park as well. I get that's a smaller park and doesn't really apply for most, but it is a vote for short line simplicity overall.
The deeply cynical side of me thinks Disney's complex approach to this is driven mostly by some form of prestige/jobs protection. Here's hoping I'm wrong on that.
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Post by johnb on Jun 28, 2024 12:21:14 GMT -5
How many times has Disney changed this front-of-line system in past decade? Enough I'm not fretting about this change - - long view, it will be temporary as well. FWIW, Universal wins hands down in my view on how they handle front of line access. FOTL access is included when staying onsite at a Premier level hotel. Otherwise it starts at $90 per person per day. If you have the access, you go to the short line. If you don't, you don't. I've never done FOTL pass for Universal. I'm not a thrill ride person, so I've rather spring for an AP and enjoy more overall time in the parks. Ditto overall for Disney. I've never paid for Fast Pass / Lightning Lane or any iteration outright, although I did enjoy the game of getting the best rides for our family when onsite guests had a 30/60 day booking advantage. But for sheer simplicity, I'd take the Universal style FOTL pass every single time. If memory serves, Legoland essentially replicated it in their park as well. I get that's a smaller park and doesn't really apply for most, but it is a vote for short line simplicity overall. The deeply cynical side of me thinks Disney's complex approach to this is driven mostly by some form of prestige/jobs protection. Here's hoping I'm wrong on that. If WDW is relying on surveys and guest feedback to tweak or redo their skip the standby line system, it's going to be a hamster wheel of changes. Complaints...change...complaints...change. And, yes, the Universal system is great. I recall 60+ minute wait times on a few of the big/popular rides, and the FOTL was a walk on. |
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Post by jedimom3 on Jun 29, 2024 14:37:38 GMT -5
I'm kind of excited about seeing how this might work on our next trip in Oct. Currently, the kids and I did not renew our APs, and will be getting day tickets. maybe 2-3 days. So we'll be looking to maximize the time. I've never bought Genie+, and most of the reason was the cost, but also the not knowing what you might get and when or even if. With this, we can at least do like we used to do , and pick our 3 ahead of time, and know we've got them or not, and plan around that.
We very much utilized the old FP system where you picked 3, and were used to the tiers back then, didn't love them, and I don't agree with a lot of the tiers this time, but we've had to choose before on tier 1 rides. At least HS didn't put ToT in the top w RnRC. agree that BTMM is not a top tier, so we'd be choosing between TIana and Space.
So far, I've only bought GotG and FoP ILLs for the kids, and might do that again. We are rope droppers, and utilize the extra magic hours, and park close as much as possible, but for spring break, HS was HARD to get everything done, especially with teens who wouldn't get up for rope drop. If nothing else, we might use this new system at HS, just to make sure they get ToT, RnRC, and Rise. Luckily they don't care about Slinky.
We go to Universal frequently, and are very familiar with their express pass system there. I know people like to say that it starts at $90, but that is like for 3 days a year, maybe in Sept or something. I've never seen it that cheap when I look. Currently, In the app, express for both parks for today it's 270.00, tomorrow is 260.00, similar pricing all through July, so that would be over $1000.00 for a family of 4 for 1 day just for express.
I've never bought express separately, we choose instead to stay at a premier. I've also done several trips w/o it, but for busy times, I'm making sure to stay premier. I already have 2 spec reservations at Royal Pacific for our Oct trip, and stalking the AP site for a Wed night rate I can live with. Idk yet which night I want to do HHN.
Also, express is fabulous , but it is not always walk on. We waited in express over 1 hour last trip for Velocicoaster, but the regular wait was like 150 mins. Hulk was also a 40 min wait, but the regular line was like 100 mins. Just depends on how busy standby is, and if there are any ride issues.
I think that would be a hard sell at Disney, to add another $1000.00/day for front of the line, but who knows. They sell out at Universal.
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