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Post by nickys on Jun 26, 2024 16:40:18 GMT -5
It's a rubbish change for international guests. As Disney are saying you can only book your first day when you arrive in the US. So will be left with not much to book for most of your stay Where does it state that? I tried to google and did not see that but curious why you couldn't buy early? It’s been confirmed by the Media Communications team. And Scott Gustin. Usual crap about regulatory concerns, of which there are none. GDPR has been in force since 2018. We could buy G+ in advance as part of a package or stand-alone tickets when that was an option. I can sit here in Edinburgh and mobile order for collection in 45 minutes from now. We can book pre-paid dining, party tickets etc by calling in to the U.K. arm of their own travel agency. We could book FP+ just like US guests could. But we have to use a vpn to book tours, droid building etc, all of those “magical experiences” or whatever they’re called. For whatever reason they’ve decided to get-fence the purchasing of the new LLs. If they wanted to fix it they could. They either don’t care or they’re incompetent. Or both. And apparently MDE tracks location using GPS rather than IP address, so a vpn isn’t going to work. I’ve gone from punching the air in delight over the changes to total despondency over this. To say I’m pissed off is an understatement. |
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Post by helenabear on Jun 26, 2024 17:32:29 GMT -5
Where does it state that? I tried to google and did not see that but curious why you couldn't buy early? It’s been confirmed by the Media Communications team. And Scott Gustin. Usual crap about regulatory concerns, of which there are none. GDPR has been in force since 2018. We could buy G+ in advance as part of a package or stand-alone tickets when that was an option. I can sit here in Edinburgh and mobile order for collection in 45 minutes from now. We can book pre-paid dining, party tickets etc by calling in to the U.K. arm of their own travel agency. We could book FP+ just like US guests could. But we have to use a vpn to book tours, droid building etc, all of those “magical experiences” or whatever they’re called. For whatever reason they’ve decided to get-fence the purchasing of the new LLs. If they wanted to fix it they could. They either don’t care or they’re incompetent. Or both. And apparently MDE tracks location using GPS rather than IP address, so a vpn isn’t going to work. I’ve gone from punching the air in delight over the changes to total despondency over this. To say I’m pissed off is an understatement. Since I asked I was given the answer here. Googling just didn't help at first. So Andoids can get around it then at least. iPhones unfortunately never allow for real changes sadly to GPS when geo blocking is used that I'm aware. I agree it's stupid. Especially since the US is so huge. But I'll ask around my geek friends. ETA: someone suggested this... I admit my geek friends are not often iPhone users outside of work if required so this hasn't been tested. www.imyfone.com/location-changer/The reason why a VPN could get you through the bookings was because the browser does not get GPS info, it get IP location info. Using GPS is a different thing. |
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Post by jawfish on Jun 26, 2024 20:56:46 GMT -5
I was excited until I saw tiers were staying. No slinky and rise, I have to pick only one after paying extra. That means still at least one long wait. Ugh. Why can’t Disney get this right?
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Post by brp on Jun 26, 2024 21:05:56 GMT -5
I was excited until I saw tiers were staying. No slinky and rise, I have to pick only one after paying extra. That means still at least one long wait. Ugh. Why can’t Disney get this right? Much as I might want otherwise, I think that tiers is the right way to do it. Without that, there would be too much demand for a small set of rides and that would unfairly penalize others. Sure, I'd like to pick 3 top-tier rides right off the bat...but so would everyone else. Tiers are really the only way that makes sense. I was surprised when there was some discussion that they were going away. That would not work.
Understandable to want everything. Just not practical.
Cheers.
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Post by jawfish on Jun 26, 2024 21:08:59 GMT -5
I think price may be the key. Knowing I get 3 rides I want guaranteed is def worth the $30 a day. You make a good case for why to keep tiers.
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Post by jawfish on Jun 26, 2024 21:14:30 GMT -5
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Post by bakerworld on Jun 26, 2024 21:48:34 GMT -5
As we're not planning to do the parks after this September until 2026, this sounds like a way to do one last FOP. We'll see if I can wrap this tired old brain around it 7 days out. I love the thought of being able to pre-plan some rides. I assume the VQ's are still 7a the same day.
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Post by johnb on Jun 27, 2024 7:05:56 GMT -5
I think the system and the tiers will save us time in the parks, once I figure out which rides make the most sense to use LL on.
Also, we are rope droppers, so between the early start and the LL we should be able to ride some of our favorites more than once.
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Post by fuzzylogic on Jun 27, 2024 8:04:59 GMT -5
I was excited until I saw tiers were staying. No slinky and rise, I have to pick only one after paying extra. That means still at least one long wait. Ugh. Why can’t Disney get this right? Say ride capacities are... Frozen 12,000, Ratatouille 20,000, Soarin 24,000. And EPCOT has 34,000 guests. If $30 bought you all 3 of those, most guests would buy it. But it's not possible for even close to every guest getting to ride every T1 ride. By adding them up (56,000) it's possible to say "pick 1" and still have around 40% capacity left for standby or picking another day-of. It's just a math equation and nothing Disney is doing wrong. There is no "everything package" unless you price it to where 70% of guests won't buy it. For example maybe offer Tiered for $30 but Tier-less for $90. If you think Disney is getting it wrong, what would be your ideal solution? ETA... It makes more sense for Disney to sell to 30,000 guests @ $30 than to sell to 10,000 guests @ $90. Altho it's the same revenue, the Tiered model makes the parks look affordable, whereas the tier-less model would look like gouging, with 70% of guests opting out. Thus, we have tiers. |
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Post by helenabear on Jun 27, 2024 8:15:27 GMT -5
I was excited until I saw tiers were staying. No slinky and rise, I have to pick only one after paying extra. That means still at least one long wait. Ugh. Why can’t Disney get this right? Say ride capacities are... Frozen 12,000, Ratatouille 20,000, Soarin 24,000. And EPCOT has 34,000 guests. If $30 bought you all 3 of those, most guests would buy it. But it's not possible for even close to every guest getting to ride every T1 ride. By adding them up (56,000) it's possible to say "pick 1" and still have around 40% capacity left for standby or picking another day-of. It's just a math equation and nothing Disney is doing wrong. There is no "everything package" unless you price it to where 70% of guests won't buy it. For example maybe offer Tiered for $30 but Tier-less for $90. If you think Disney is getting it wrong, what would be your ideal solution? ETA... It makes more sense for Disney to sell to 30,000 guests @ $30 than to sell to 10,000 guests @ $90. Altho it's the same revenue, the Tiered model makes the parks look affordable, whereas the tier-less model would look like gouging, with 70% of guests opting out. Thus, we have tiers. There are 3 levels here though. That's what people don't like about these tiers. To get top ride you have to pick one and pay more to get it. To get a mid level ride, you have to pick 1 and wait to do the other to drop off before trying for next mid level - and pay more, though you do get 2 lower level rides with that as well that you can rotate through. I think we'll have to see how it goes with availability to see how well it all works really but they're talking how to get great choices, you are asking the people to buy two items and one having teirs and asking for probably between $40-50+ a day. To get just one "top shelf" ride it's usually $15-20. Then you add in the $25+ for the rest of the rides. Tier free would mean no single rider purchase as well. |
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Post by brp on Jun 27, 2024 8:36:38 GMT -5
Say ride capacities are... Frozen 12,000, Ratatouille 20,000, Soarin 24,000. And EPCOT has 34,000 guests. If $30 bought you all 3 of those, most guests would buy it. But it's not possible for even close to every guest getting to ride every T1 ride. By adding them up (56,000) it's possible to say "pick 1" and still have around 40% capacity left for standby or picking another day-of. It's just a math equation and nothing Disney is doing wrong. There is no "everything package" unless you price it to where 70% of guests won't buy it. For example maybe offer Tiered for $30 but Tier-less for $90. If you think Disney is getting it wrong, what would be your ideal solution? ETA... It makes more sense for Disney to sell to 30,000 guests @ $30 than to sell to 10,000 guests @ $90. Altho it's the same revenue, the Tiered model makes the parks look affordable, whereas the tier-less model would look like gouging, with 70% of guests opting out. Thus, we have tiers. There are 3 levels here though. That's what people don't like about these tiers. To get top ride you have to pick one and pay more to get it. To get a mid level ride, you have to pick 1 and wait to do the other to drop off before trying for next mid level - and pay more, though you do get 2 lower level rides with that as well that you can rotate through. I think we'll have to see how it goes with availability to see how well it all works really but they're talking how to get great choices, you are asking the people to buy two items and one having teirs and asking for probably between $40-50+ a day. To get just one "top shelf" ride it's usually $15-20. Then you add in the $25+ for the rest of the rides. Tier free would mean no single rider purchase as well. Hadn't followed all of these details. Based on what you wrote above, if it really does roll out this way, I like it less. Particularly: not including even 1 Tier1 in the main offering, requiring an additional payment for another Tier 2 after using it.
This is now sounding less appealing than I had first thought. Rope drop will have to do.
Cheers.
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Post by fuzzylogic on Jun 27, 2024 9:38:56 GMT -5
Hadn't followed all of these details. Based on what you wrote above, if it really does roll out this way, I like it less. Particularly: not including even 1 Tier1 in the main offering, requiring an additional payment for another Tier 2 after using it. This is now sounding less appealing than I had first thought. Rope drop will have to do. Cheers. It's not like that. Helena's looking at the Tier-1 and Tier-2 and saying "but you don't even get the primo ride". She's calling Tier-1 a mid-level ride and only the VQ rides a top level. It's a different way to look at it, but it's not the terminology Disney uses so it adds confusion. Lightning Lane Single are single purchases for one ride on: MK: Tron & SDMT EC: GOTG HS: ROR AK: FOP This is pretty much like things are now. You can VQ or you can buy a pass, or both. Lightning Lane Multi is a purchase to ride several to many things throughout the day: MK: BTMR, JC, PPF, SM, Bayou EC: Frozen, Remy, Soarin (Test Track would be here most likely when it opens but it's closed) HS: MMRR, Falcon, RnR, SDD AK: None You get 1 of those then 2 from everything else. You do not get things from the "LL Single" group which are only for sale for one riding just like you don't get those in G+ now. Once you use one (from any Tier) you can book another (from any Tier). disneyworld.disney.go.com/lightning-lane-passes/It won't be that much of a deviation from the status quo. * First good ride: You get one good ride prebooked (w G+ you get one good ride at 7am). * Second good ride: You get a 2nd good ride once you use something (w G+ you got a 2nd good ride at 11am or when you used your first). * Beyond that: Now you'll come in with two Tier-2's prebooked. (w G+ you'd book those Tier-2's at 1pm, 3pm, etc). In either system you could possibly squeak in a 3rd good ride, subject to availability. It's going to be pretty similar really. The main difference is now you won't have to be on your phone every 2 hours doing it.This is the big win here since you can set up your day in advance. Because you can do it in advance, it will create FOMO and drive sales. |
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Post by baymaxfan on Jun 27, 2024 9:45:55 GMT -5
Basically, it's like the old FP+ with the exception of having to pay for it and still having individual LL rides. So, it's like FP-. Overall, it's still an improvement over the current system.
At the end of the day, has anyone seen what other parks charge for priority access? Sometimes I wish Disney would just charge what everyone else is charging but they make it so you can go on most rides without having to think about it.
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Post by brp on Jun 27, 2024 12:28:02 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification. So, to get a second Lightning Lane Multi after using the first, one will not have pay any additional beyond what has been paid and can just choose from what is available? That's better. But the exclusion of the rides listed as Lightning Lane Single above decreases the value substantially. Had those been included, it would likely be worth it. Without that, it's a meh.
Cheers.
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Post by simbasmom on Jun 27, 2024 13:01:24 GMT -5
If they want to give it a new name, just call it what it is, paid FP+. The one advantage that I say, I'll admit, is that you can book another once you use one.With the old system, it seems to me that you had to use all 3 that you'd pre-ordered before you could book any more. I haven't used Genie +, but depending on the cost, I may use this-but only on solo trips. I can't see using it on family trips, with 6 of us. After paying tickets costs, meals, hotel for a day, another $150 or so (maybe more) hurts too much to think of. Interested in more info about it, though.
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