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Post by pooh bears mom on Nov 23, 2023 13:48:25 GMT -5
completely agree. They just don't get it, and they are losing the next generation to others with better stories. Right now....yes.
As an example - On Halloween night, we had around 250 trick or treaters. We saw lots of Barbie/Ken and Super Mario themed costumes. But what we did not see were boys dresses in Disney Costumes. There were some Princesses, but there were more Peach costumes than any particular Disney Princess. To further your point, What is "hot" in the Disney merchandising right now? I really can't think of anything that kids are clamoring to have, tied to a Disney Movie.
So True - I forgot about Halloween - you covered all the costumes my kids talked about. Barbie was the standout winner for the girls. The boys had a more of a nintendo mix - Mario themed and dragonball were the most popular. Edited to add - Off topic but I think Onward was actually a really great film, unfortunately it released right at Covid. We purchased it on Amazon at the time and really enjoyed it. But sadly - the timing of the release wasn't good, and I don't feel as though Disney did a good job marketing it. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Nov 27, 2023 8:47:42 GMT -5
Wish will be the highest grossing Disney animation this year. I don't think it will gross over a billion, but I think it has a chance.....depends on word of mouth and how families receive the film.
Looks like I was off......Way off.
Wish is another Disney Box Office disaster.
The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes $28.8M
Napoleon $20.4M
Wish $19.5M
Trolls Band Together $17.5M
Thanksgiving $7.3M
Only 19.5M over the weekend, finishing third. Hunger Games is in its second weekend, easily finished first for the second straight week.
Next weekends drop off is going to be so ugly.
I know I have written this several times, but when is someone going to be fired?
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Post by Brian5581 on Nov 27, 2023 19:16:53 GMT -5
Wish will be the highest grossing Disney animation this year. I don't think it will gross over a billion, but I think it has a chance.....depends on word of mouth and how families receive the film.
Looks like I was off......Way off.
Wish is another Disney Box Office disaster.
The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes $28.8M
Napoleon $20.4M
Wish $19.5M
Trolls Band Together $17.5M
Thanksgiving $7.3M
Only 19.5M over the weekend, finishing third. Hunger Games is in its second weekend, easily finished first for the second straight week.
Next weekends drop off is going to be so ugly.
I know I have written this several times, but when is someone going to be fired?
Yep, Major ouch, indeed. I wasn’t optimistic (shocking,,,), but thought it would at least win the weekend and hit $40 million. Unfortunately this will not help the case of anyone hoping for new and original…. To be fair, neither does Nintendo or Barbie. |
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Post by tomandrobin on Dec 4, 2023 9:58:08 GMT -5
The Box Office numbers for last week are in.......Not pretty at all for Wish.
In two weeks, the movie has only grossed 82M worldwide (42M domestic). The movie had a budget of $200M. The movie will end up having a loss of around 300M (budget x 2.5 - sales = profit/loss).
I thought the Marvels was going to be a bad bust, but it looks like Wish will easily blow that away.
The movie losses for Disney in 2022 and 2023 are staggering. For 2023, Disney is staring at 1.4-1.5 billion in losses for films. And for the first time since 2014 (except 2020 and 2021 covid years) Disney did not have a film gross over 1 Billion dollars.
Again, at what point will Disney stop making excuses for their movie flops.....blaming everyone and everything except for themselves.
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Post by orion54 on Dec 4, 2023 23:45:30 GMT -5
I know not Disney related but has anyone watched Monarch: Legacy of Monsters? So far it's been very good and in fact you get to see Monsters! Fun show and again...you get to see Monsters! Disney (and Hollywood) can learn a thing or two from this and Godzilla Minus 1. Heck they could learn a lot from Super Mario Brothers, Puss and Boots Last Wish and Top Gun Maverick. Nothing earth shattering about those three movies but they worked and worked well.
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Post by captjacksfamily on Dec 5, 2023 6:42:37 GMT -5
I won't even internet pretend to understand the finical profile of movies and when and how they make money but I still have to wonder how important a block buster is compared to profits from streaming. If you look at the recent Haunted Mansion movie which certainly wasn't a block buster it would have obviously made a great halloween release but they released in the summer probably so it could be a halloween release on Disney +. Does that mean it was better to maximize profits from streaming versus take in addition box office from a better release date?
Personally in the last 5+ years the only movies I have seen at the theater are Jungle Cruise (because I was invite to a free prevue) and Top Gun because of the lack of CGI vs the amount of actual flying done and being an aviation geek. Personally I think CGI is ok to enhance reality but is often over done to create reality taking movies to close to animation. At home I have a 85 inch tv with a decent sound system and with Disney I know their movies will be on Disney + in a couple of months so I doubt they will be getting anymore box office dollars from me.
BTW you can make the Disney connection with Monarch because it stars Disney legend Kurt Russell. I am not a big Godzilla type monster fan but it is pretty good, Apple is putting out some quality programing.
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Post by henrycpa on Dec 5, 2023 9:22:48 GMT -5
Again, at what point will Disney stop making excuses for their movie flops.....blaming everyone and everything except for themselves. The answer is when the Stockholders hold them accountable. It starts with Iger and the C-Suite being clearred out. Likely that does not happen until the BOD changes. They need Creative folks in the C-Suite. Not the talking heads and accountants (and that comes from an accountant). I hate to say it but Disney is at a point where they are going to have to take the Walt approach and Dream and Spend and hope he has his brother accountant making the numbers work. |
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Post by Wiltony on Dec 7, 2023 17:13:01 GMT -5
I see a lot of movies in the theaters. My wife and I have an AMC "A-list" subscription so we can watch 3 movies in any format every week (if we want to - we average about 1 per week). This helps us take risks and go watch stuff that we may not be all that excited about, but want to give a chance. This is also helpful because I've noticed that my preferences, likes, and enjoyment of many movies almost never align with critic reviews, and frequently don't align with audience reviews. For instance, it seems many enjoyed The Little Mermaid remake, but I did not. Conversely, many didn't like the Marvels and the Eternals, but I enjoyed them both. I wouldn't say they were stellar, but they were far from bad, in my opinion.
I am looking forward to the Hunger Games prequel. The original Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory is one of my favorite movies of all time. I had high hopes for the Depp version (since he is quite quirky). I was so disappointed that I like to pretend that version doesn't even exist. I might get myself to watch the Chalamet version, but probably on streaming. And there in lies part of the problem - many of us are saying we might watch movie A, B, or C, but not necessarily in the theaters. That's got to hurt the bottom line. Hunger Games prequel was ok, but too long, and too much singing. Omigosh every time she started a new song I shook my head and rolled my eyes. It's funny, someone said, "there's no pleasing you people! You complain if a movie is too long, but you also complain if they split the movie into parts!" lol, true enough I guess. But they might have been able to make a more acceptable run-time by cutting out a few songs! I don't know what it was with the Eternals for me. I guess I liked the concept of linking them to ancient and some modern history. Also really liked the movie and the massive scope (both time and space) of the Eternals. I loved the concept, and would have liked a movie on each of the characters beforehand, with this movie being a culmination of them, similar to Avengers. I'll bet Disney is glad they didn't do that, considering the box office performance of this one, but I thought that was a missed opportunity since I enjoyed it and would have enjoyed a hugely expanded "Eternals Cinematic Universe." I’ll watch the Marvels at some point since Brie Larson is quite pleasant to look at. She's lost weight! She was rail-thin in the Marvels. My favorite performance of Brie Larson, however, is in "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World" which is a really quirky, off-the-wall, comic-based movie. She was so cute in that movie. completely agree. They just don't get it, and they are losing the next generation to others with better stories. I am waiting for a new creative disney animated film. I am done with frozen, done with star wars, done with marvel. Give me something new and different. I am one of the biggest disney fans - I have loved disney my entire life. I have turned my family into disney fans. You know, I don't feel like their stories are all that bad, it's the execution/storytelling that's falling short. I'm not sure exactly how to put my finger on it -- is it the writing? Directing? Editing? Cinematography? I don't quite know, since I'm not a movie-maker, but there's a quality that's been lost. I can't believe how many movies I've walked out of in the past few years thinking to myself, "wow, that could have been a *really* good movie, but they just didn't do a good job with it." But I couldn't qualify the missing element in all but 1 or 2 of them. Some examples of movies that had a really great and creative core concept or story, and had massive potential to be great, but missed the mark for whatever reason, include: - Wish - a sorcerer who steals and feeds off the wishes of his people and then gaslights them? An aspiring apprentice who learns the truth, gets enchanted by magic from the stars, and goes to battle to restore justice? Weaving historical Disney movie easter-eggs throughout? Holy crap, sign me up! What a freaking great concept, with so much potential with the story, but for some reason, it was a dud. Was it the music? The writing? The animation style? (I'd say at least some of all three)
- Eternals (see my post above)
- Turning Red - OMG I hated this movie, but the concept was great! A family who can tap into an ancient magic to turn into animals? An adolescence discovering this power and struggling with how to control, suppress, or embrace it? A parallel with our struggles growing up, discovering ourselves, and going through puberty? Totally great concept and story. Terrible movie.
- Raya and the Last Dragon - This could have been a freaking awesome TV series or multiple movies. So much missed world-building here that I wished I could have immersed myself in. So much lost potential.
- Lightyear - ok so this could have been SO cool. A movie and/or real-world story upon which the buzz-lightyear toy was based, from their most successful franchise? Gosh darnit they freaking squandered their opportunity here.
- Strange World - Again, really fun potential world-building that they just weren't able to convert into a good movie.
So again, my contention is not a lack of good stories. Their concepts and stories are actually pretty good. What is sorely lacking is the conversion of those stories into really well-written, thoughtful, top-tier productions that engage and move their audiences. I'm so frustrated with them, as well as on their behalf, because it's obvious they don't know what the problem is either.
Looks like I was off......Way off.
Wish is another Disney Box Office disaster.
Wish had the makings of a good movie, but it just wasn't. I SO wanted it to be good. I really wanted to love it. It should have been the next Frozen or Encanto or whatever, but dangit it was terrible. The animation looks straight out of 2000-era Disney channel CG cartoons. The music was atrocious, and the writing too. The direction and editing was jarring, and at times the song or the scene was clearly signalling to me that I *should* be invested in what was going on, but I just wasn't, and instead I felt very confused.
I'm so mad at them for squandering this movie. I wanted to play the soundtrack in my car, and go visit the characters at WDW, and go back and look for all the movie-references and easter-eggs with my wife. I wanted to watch viral videos of kids singing the songs, and recreating or making fun of certain scenes, watch people dress up as characters at halloween, and watch it weave its way into our pop-culture zeitgeist. Instead, this will be forgotten as another failure in a long string of failures, and it makes me really sad.
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Post by bakerworld on Dec 8, 2023 12:49:28 GMT -5
Our eldest took our 4y GK to see Wish and they both enjoyed it. She said it was cute and presented well in 'woke' fashion. The 4y liked it. I didn't really understand what my daughter was saying but I'm still having trouble remembering what being 'woken' means. Who isn't woken - I mean if you're breathing you have to be aware of racism? Just doesn't make any sense.
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Post by brp on Dec 8, 2023 12:53:43 GMT -5
Our eldest took our 4y GK to see Wish and they both enjoyed it. She said it was cute and presented well in 'woke' fashion. The 4y liked it. I didn't really understand what my daughter was saying but I'm still having trouble remembering what being 'woken' means. Who isn't woken - I mean if you're breathing you have to be aware of racism? Just doesn't make any sense. Given the number of places that have banned the teaching of the history of racism and the impacts it still has today, I'd say there there are many breathing Americans who are not aware of the extent of racism. And others who simply want to deny its prevalence and impact.
For me, the alternative to "woke" is cruising through life asleep at the wheel. I know which makes more sense to me.
Adding after reading Wiltony's response below: It's also a term I don't use since it has no meaning to me personally.
Cheers.
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Post by Wiltony on Dec 8, 2023 13:00:56 GMT -5
Our eldest took our 4y GK to see Wish and they both enjoyed it. She said it was cute and presented well in 'woke' fashion. The 4y liked it. I didn't really understand what my daughter was saying but I'm still having trouble remembering what being 'woken' means. Who isn't woken - I mean if you're breathing you have to be aware of racism? Just doesn't make any sense. A four-year-old said it presented well in 'woke' fashion?  (just kidding)
Woke is used very broadly at this point. Some just use it as a slur for anything that reflects liberal social issues. Some use it as a way to say they feel like "progressive" initiatives are being pushed too hard in order to try to compensate for historical oppression or under-representation. I personally just don't ever use the word at all and feel like we should just all be nice to each other.
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Post by tomandrobin on Mar 28, 2024 8:28:59 GMT -5
We have no Movie Plans in the near future. I was going to see Dune 2, but that got pushed back to March 2024. There is a chance we will be taking the boys to see Trolls (released Nov 17). I do not think we will be seeing Wish in the theaters, unless the boys want to go....as of now they do not. Reviving an old thread.....
We did not see Trolls or Wish, but we did go see Dune 2 last night. Robin and I both really liked the movie. It may have been over 2.5 hours, but the time flew by. The movie ending certainly left the Part 3 movie on the table, and with sales at $600 million, it will happen.
No signs of life from Disney in the theaters since Wish rolled out and on to its face. Looking at the rest of the 2024 movie schedule, Disney will have a few winners in their line-up.
The top 6 big movies from Disney in 2024: 1. Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes May 10 2. Inside Out 2 - June 14 3. Deadpool & Wolverine - July 26 4. Alien: Romulus - August 16 5. Moana 2 - November 27 6. Mufasa: The Lion King - December 20 (projected)
Here are my rankings for total gross sales.
1. Deadpool 2. Moana 2 3. Inside Out 4. Apes 5. Mufasa 6. Aliens
My 1 & 2 ranking could easily flip. Depends on what Disney actually delivers in Moana. Inside Out "could" be a hit or a flop, again depends on what Disney puts into the script. The last Apes movie pulled in close to $500m, so this might be a surprise (I have not watched any of the recent movies, so m unsure). Mufasa is a CGI prequel, it sounds like it might be a movie nobody asked for, but we got. I loved the original Alien movies, back when I was a younger me, but have lost touch with the franchise. I ranked it low only because it has no appeal to me.
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Post by baymaxfan on Mar 28, 2024 9:00:39 GMT -5
I think Deadpool is the clear winner of those next 6 movies and should do very well. Moana 2 could do well or just so so. I think it depends so much on the content/focus. Planet of the Apes should be fine as there really haven't been too many action CGI films out lately. Inside Out 2, Alien, and Mufasa will flop. Those are my predictions.
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Post by tomandrobin on Mar 28, 2024 9:03:43 GMT -5
I think Deadpool is the clear winner of those next 6 movies and should do very well. Moana 2 could do well or just so so. I think it depends so much on the content/focus. Planet of the Apes should be fine as there really haven't been too many action CGI films out lately. Inside Out 2, Alien, and Mufasa will flop. Those are my predictions. One thing to note about the Deadpool & Wolverine Movie is that it will be the only Marvel release during 2024.
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Post by baymaxfan on Mar 28, 2024 9:42:20 GMT -5
I think Deadpool is the clear winner of those next 6 movies and should do very well. Moana 2 could do well or just so so. I think it depends so much on the content/focus. Planet of the Apes should be fine as there really haven't been too many action CGI films out lately. Inside Out 2, Alien, and Mufasa will flop. Those are my predictions. One thing to note about the Deadpool & Wolverine Movie is that it will be the only Marvel release during 2024.
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(just kidding)