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Post by tink711 on May 10, 2023 17:20:14 GMT -5
Park Ressies are so annoying, especially how they pair them with having to have a park ressie to get a dining ressie, dessert party ressie, etc. Ugh! Disney! I want to go to that park on the day that I can get dining ressie that I want. I don't want to have to reserve every day in the week to the same park just to try to book a dining or dessert party ressie.
And now - as AP holders - we are stuck with this but not other guests ?
Boo!!!
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Post by gflatto on May 10, 2023 19:11:36 GMT -5
From Disney's point of view, the reservation provided good data. They knew how many people were coming, and when. With a date based ticket, they know you're coming to a park, just not which one. So, they still have some data, even if it's not complete. But, with an AP, you could show up unannounced at any time. So they lose all data. This, I think, is why AP folks still need reservations - but, I'm also hopeful that good to go days will be plentiful, and perhaps reservations will only be required during the busiest times. I've thought the same thing. But then maybe the 'park reservations' for AP holders could simply be: " I'm coming to WDW and want to enter some park" without specifying which one. That is essentially what the date based tickets are doing. That would give them the same data they have from the date based tickets, and still allow us the same kind of flexibility around exactly which park we go to on which day. I can dream..... |
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Post by goofydad13 on May 10, 2023 23:35:04 GMT -5
Park Ressies are so annoying, especially how they pair them with having to have a park ressie to get a dining ressie, dessert party ressie, etc. Ugh! Disney! I want to go to that park on the day that I can get dining ressie that I want. I don't want to have to reserve every day in the week to the same park just to try to book a dining or dessert party ressie. And now - as AP holders - we are stuck with this but not other guests ? Boo!!! We have never had to have a park ressie to make an in park dining ressie. |
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Post by nickys on May 11, 2023 0:18:34 GMT -5
Park Ressies are so annoying, especially how they pair them with having to have a park ressie to get a dining ressie, dessert party ressie, etc. Ugh! Disney! I want to go to that park on the day that I can get dining ressie that I want. I don't want to have to reserve every day in the week to the same park just to try to book a dining or dessert party ressie. And now - as AP holders - we are stuck with this but not other guests ? Boo!!! You don’t need to have a park reservation before booking an ADR, desert party, tour etc. You can book those and then either book or modify your park reservation for that day. |
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Post by helenabear on May 11, 2023 6:52:41 GMT -5
From Disney's announcements, it appears to me that they are removing the ticket "bucket" of AP holders staying on site. Which leaves only AP and non-AP guests. Very disheartening to learn that AP and DVC members are still considered to be undesirables. I think it’s been confirmed that DVC members with date based tickets will not have to book parks. They are being treated as having a “package” stay. I think they’ll eventually end park reservations for AP holders staying onsite too. Maybe a couple of months after booking opens for 2024. My reading of it was it doesn't matter if onsite or not, date based tickets will be fine. Just us onsite AP holders may get the shaft. Which is a walk back from what the insiders were saying before. Maybe we should write them lol |
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Post by fuzzylogic on May 11, 2023 8:14:06 GMT -5
It amazes me ppl can be so mad about this news. Here's my take on all it is...
* Ding Plans returning for next year
Great. Probly doesn't affect most out here, since we are by our DVC tendencies bargain-hunters not dine-every-day spenders. So this isn't for you unless you're into lots of dining. I'm sure it sells well to the vacation guest and that is the profit center for Disney. We bought it lots back in the day. This is good for Disney, good for those who want it, irrelevant for those who don't.
* Anyone with a date-based ticket will no longer need to make park reservations.
Again good. Doesn't help an AP, but it doesn't hurt either. Make life easier for that vacation guest. We have no problem booking park days and we change them all the time. It couldn't really be easier.
* Good-To-Go Days
Targeted at the local who might want to just pop in - not me.
* Early entry for resort guests plus extended evening hours for Deluxe guests continue.
This is great right? EE is one of our favorite perks.
* And G+ will be simplified. You’ll be able to add it in advance and book ahead of time too.
I don't love this because we don't really use G+. We just went over May The Fourth without buying G+ once and we had no problem riding everything. I think Disney sees people buying it less now... and selling it early will reinvigorate that "must buy it" mentality. FOMO sells. That's the goal of course to get you to feel you must purchase this.
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Post by oldhalfelf on May 11, 2023 8:55:03 GMT -5
I may be being dense, but I feel that the thread hasn't quite hit one issue on the nose for AP holders. Will an AP holder's reservation be an "if you intend to be here you have to tell us so we can plan" requirement or an "if you want to be here you have to get our permission which we may deny based on other load" requirement? In the latter case, there would be a real problem if bought-and-paid-for ticket load was to be "enhanced" for permission decision-making with projected load, based on previously collected data. WDW could be accused of creating stealth block-out dates (e.g., for Incredi-passes, which were sold as not having any.) I probably worry too much, but this announcement with an explanation could usefully have preceded the recent AP sale.  |
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Post by Adelard of Bath on May 11, 2023 10:37:59 GMT -5
Just us onsite AP holders may get the shaft. You'd think that onsite AP holders would have been among the first group to be allowed to not have park reservations. At least in my mind. Which is what makes me go "wtf" But as was mentioned, I'm sure the reason date-based ticket people get to skip reservations is because those people have basically told Disney "we plan to be here for seven days, starting on this date" which gives Disney a fairly good guess as to how many people will be in the parks. But I would also think that they could just as well assume with a fairly high accuracy that if AP holders have an onsite room booked, chances are they will be in the parks for a good chunk of that time. Maybe this is yet another example of "the ticket people not being able to access the hotel people's data" or something like that. To which I say, get it together! |
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Post by SuzanneSLO on May 11, 2023 10:51:08 GMT -5
I may be being dense, but I feel that the thread hasn't quite hit one issue on the nose for AP holders. Will an AP holder's reservation be an "if you intend to be here you have to tell us so we can plan" requirement or an "if you want to be here you have to get our permission which we may deny based on other load" requirement? In the latter case, there would be a real problem if bought-and-paid-for ticket load was to be "enhanced" for permission decision-making with projected load, based on previously collected data. WDW could be accused of creating stealth block-out dates (e.g., for Incredi-passes, which were sold as not having any.) I probably worry too much, but this announcement with an explanation could usefully have preceded the recent AP sale. I would say by definition DVC Owners are planners, which make the park reservation system a potentially frustrating obstacle. Even if “most” of the time, the park reservation systems creates no impediment, what is the purpose of the system unless from time to time people are denied access to their preferred park? I think this is your second example: creating stealth block out dates for AP. Disney has already been sued by AP holders at DL for exactly this: www.disneyfoodblog.com/2022/05/13/update-on-5-million-lawsuit-concerning-disneys-park-pass-reservation-system/ It is possible that these new policies are meant to be a switch to your former example: there is plenty of room for everyone at the table, but just let us know you are coming so we buy a big enough turkey. And, of course, WDW always had park capacity limitations even before park reservations were a thing, you just might not know about them ‘til you showed up at the gate and were turned away. For someone who has a brand new AP at DL — which has yet to adopt these changes- I do find myself thinking about a planned trip and how getting park reservations will play out. Mostly that is because the AP I have only allows 2 park reservations to be held at a time, which makes me wonder if I’m nuts for planning a 3 day visit. Is is better to be safe than sorry and cancel a night of my stay and just plan on 2 days? |
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Post by Adelard of Bath on May 11, 2023 10:56:54 GMT -5
there is plenty of room for everyone at the table, but just let us know you are coming so we buy a big enough turkey. Uh oh! There are only 10 or 12 seats at this table though, and Disney would rather have the "cool, fun relatives" come - which means the ones who buy dated tickets...so just think how many months those people have the ability to buy dated tickets (and use up those seats) before our 60-day window or whatever it is rolls around. Ah now I see why the "good to go days" calendar is all secret and not released until closer to the date. |
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Post by jflatto on May 11, 2023 11:11:25 GMT -5
Looking at it from Disney's perspective, it is also possible that they are getting negative feedback and publicity from families who go to Disney with "X" day tickets not being to ride what they want and do what they want to do, partially because of all the other guests there as well as other guests who know how to use the system. AP guests will typically be back again so if they don't do something, they will do it next time. The AP guests probably also know how to better use Disney's systems than the typical families with "X" day tickets who are going for "once in a lifetime" or at much more infrequently.
How many times on MouseOwners and now MagicOwners, have individuals talked about not needing to go "commando" as we know we will be back again and again as well as all the tips on how to use the system. I am avoiding the term "gaming the system" as to me that has a negative connotations such as those individuals who "rented" a disabled guest.
As an AP holder who was finally able to renew our AP after letting it lapse for COVID, I can not say that I am happy about this but looking at this more objectively, this may be part of Disney's calculation.
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Post by helenabear on May 11, 2023 11:14:49 GMT -5
Just us onsite AP holders may get the shaft. You'd think that onsite AP holders would have been among the first group to be allowed to not have park reservations. At least in my mind. Which is what makes me go "wtf" But as was mentioned, I'm sure the reason date-based ticket people get to skip reservations is because those people have basically told Disney "we plan to be here for seven days, starting on this date" which gives Disney a fairly good guess as to how many people will be in the parks. But I would also think that they could just as well assume with a fairly high accuracy that if AP holders have an onsite room booked, chances are they will be in the parks for a good chunk of that time. Maybe this is yet another example of "the ticket people not being able to access the hotel people's data" or something like that. To which I say, get it together! Actually no, I think APs who come in for the day (vloggers I'm looking at you) would be the type they want to discourage and require park reservations. I think those onsite give them money too so they also shouldn't be shafted. Offsite, I think should be different and yet they never bothered. I don't think Disney pays attention enough right now or some stupid bean counters are still foolishly lumping DLR and WDW as the same. It amazes me ppl can be so mad about this news. Here's my take on all it is... * Ding Plans returning for next year Great. Probly doesn't affect most out here, since we are by our DVC tendencies bargain-hunters not dine-every-day spenders. So this isn't for you unless you're into lots of dining. I'm sure it sells well to the vacation guest and that is the profit center for Disney. We bought it lots back in the day. This is good for Disney, good for those who want it, irrelevant for those who don't. * Anyone with a date-based ticket will no longer need to make park reservations. Again good. Doesn't help an AP, but it doesn't hurt either. Make life easier for that vacation guest. We have no problem booking park days and we change them all the time. It couldn't really be easier. * Good-To-Go Days
Targeted at the local who might want to just pop in - not me.
* Early entry for resort guests plus extended evening hours for Deluxe guests continue. This is great right? EE is one of our favorite perks. * And G+ will be simplified. You’ll be able to add it in advance and book ahead of time too. I don't love this because we don't really use G+. We just went over May The Fourth without buying G+ once and we had no problem riding everything. I think Disney sees people buying it less now... and selling it early will reinvigorate that "must buy it" mentality. FOMO sells. That's the goal of course to get you to feel you must purchase this. That's a foolish assumption. It will help keep some day visitors out but unless they say otherwise, it absolutely will affect you. I don't think anyone is mad about the rest.... |
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Post by Adelard of Bath on May 11, 2023 11:21:30 GMT -5
Actually no, I think APs who come in for the day (vloggers I'm looking at you) would be the type they want to discourage and require park reservations. This reminds me, wife and I left Magic Kingdom this last September, kicked out at 6pm due to an upcoming Halloween Party. We sat on a bench outside, watching people in fun costumes going into the park. We saw some gal who caught our eye. 10 to 15 minutes later, I saw her come out, munching popcorn, and I then realized that she was carrying the standard camera-on-stand setup of an Instagrammer. So she went in there just to get her selfies and then left. |
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Post by helenabear on May 11, 2023 11:50:14 GMT -5
Actually no, I think APs who come in for the day (vloggers I'm looking at you) would be the type they want to discourage and require park reservations. This reminds me, wife and I left Magic Kingdom this last September, kicked out at 6pm due to an upcoming Halloween Party. We sat on a bench outside, watching people in fun costumes going into the park. We saw some gal who caught our eye. 10 to 15 minutes later, I saw her come out, munching popcorn, and I then realized that she was carrying the standard camera-on-stand setup of an Instagrammer. So she went in there just to get her selfies and then left. at least she bought popcorn.... |
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Post by fuzzylogic on May 11, 2023 14:20:47 GMT -5
Will an AP holder's reservation be an "if you intend to be here you have to tell us so we can plan" requirement or an "if you want to be here you have to get our permission which we may deny based on other load" requirement? In the latter case, there would be a real problem if bought-and-paid-for ticket load was to be "enhanced" for permission decision-making with projected load, based on previously collected data. WDW could be accused of creating stealth block-out dates (e.g., for Incredi-passes, which were sold as not having any.) It's the latter. Yes Incredi-passes are sold as not having any blockout dates, but everyone is informed before buying that you need a reservation and they are limited. An Incredi-pass does not guarantee you access to the parks - just the option to make a park reservation any day they are not otherwise booked up. Without a reservation system, an Incredi-pass holder could walk up to MK on Christmas morning unplanned and expect to get in.
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