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Post by BWV Dreamin on May 15, 2023 9:34:14 GMT -5
All my points are direct so I will not be purchasing VDH, but I definitely see the potential and the demand. Also will not purchase Poly as my points will be good there as well. I have enough VGC for my use and its an easy 11 month booking for me in studios, so nothing but good news! You are in a very good position. It is a hard sell to entertain VDH at this time. I am going back and forth whether I want to purchase Poly2 direct. If it has restrictions it will be a pass for me. Since now I have some upcoming trips that will require accommodations other than a studio ( thanks grand kids LOL), my alternative at this point is to rent from a DVC owner.
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Post by nickys on May 15, 2023 10:50:20 GMT -5
VDH is going to be a game changer for point rentals. Over 200 studios and plenty of rental demand. High cash prices of $500+ a night will make for a very robust VDH market. Direct VDH owners are charging +30 per point for rentals. If im a a direct point owner, Im renting VDH at 7 months and renting or looking for guests that are interested in VDH as the floor will be around $20-23 per point. VDH will stay booked with the flood of 7 month points, despite the extra fees. No such thing as distressed points if you can grab a few nights at VDH and rent them. West coast guests are used to paying higher hotel rates as opposed to the plethora of places to stay near WDW. No Value resorts or campgrounds at DL either. The market will shift to the west first then back to Florida. Do you think the high room tax will affect demand though? If you rent points to stay at VGC what you pay the owner is the full cost. With VDH you’re then going to have to pay the per night tax when you arrive. That could deter some renters, and in some cases might come as an unwelcome shock to the renters if they didn’t know about it. I think that could lower the going rate per night.
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Post by helenabear on May 15, 2023 11:08:49 GMT -5
VDH is going to be a game changer for point rentals. Over 200 studios and plenty of rental demand. High cash prices of $500+ a night will make for a very robust VDH market. Direct VDH owners are charging +30 per point for rentals. If im a a direct point owner, Im renting VDH at 7 months and renting or looking for guests that are interested in VDH as the floor will be around $20-23 per point. VDH will stay booked with the flood of 7 month points, despite the extra fees. No such thing as distressed points if you can grab a few nights at VDH and rent them. West coast guests are used to paying higher hotel rates as opposed to the plethora of places to stay near WDW. No Value resorts or campgrounds at DL either. The market will shift to the west first then back to Florida. Do you think the high room tax will affect demand though? If you rent points to stay at VGC what you pay the owner is the full cost. With VDH you’re then going to have to pay the per night tax when you arrive. That could deter some renters, and in some cases might come as an unwelcome shock to the renters if they didn’t know about it. I think that could lower the going rate per night. I agree with you on this. The tax will be a killer for some. Even at Aulani it is significantly cheaper. Here the per night tax seems like a big deterrent really. Especially when there are a lot of really nice places near by that don't cost too much.
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Post by DVCQUEEN on May 15, 2023 11:39:30 GMT -5
All my points are direct so I will not be purchasing VDH, but I definitely see the potential and the demand. Also will not purchase Poly as my points will be good there as well. I have enough VGC for my use and its an easy 11 month booking for me in studios, so nothing but good news! You are in a very good position. It is a hard sell to entertain VDH at this time. I am going back and forth whether I want to purchase Poly2 direct. If it has restrictions it will be a pass for me. Since now I have some upcoming trips that will require accommodations other than a studio ( thanks grand kids LOL), my alternative at this point is to rent from a DVC owner. Yes, Im not purchasing any DVC with resale restrictions. My direct points work at 7 months and there are not any “must own” villas like Club or Value AKV. Imo, I am not interested in villas that sleep 2, not even solo trips. I almost started downsizing in fall 2019 but flinched and then Covid hit and I did not need to sell at a loss and rentals were still strong, plus I took a few extra trips myself, just to get out of the house. In the past, I said DVC was trying to shake the tree to get as many large direct owners to sell so those points would go into the restricted bucket and now I see why. Riviera, VDH and Poly will all be restricted to resale purchases and the only way around that is to buy direct or rent from an owner with unrestricted points. DVC is currently selling 2,000 points for $400,000+ with deed restrictions. VDH is going to be a game changer for point rentals. Over 200 studios and plenty of rental demand. High cash prices of $500+ a night will make for a very robust VDH market. Direct VDH owners are charging +30 per point for rentals. If im a a direct point owner, Im renting VDH at 7 months and renting or looking for guests that are interested in VDH as the floor will be around $20-23 per point. VDH will stay booked with the flood of 7 month points, despite the extra fees. No such thing as distressed points if you can grab a few nights at VDH and rent them. West coast guests are used to paying higher hotel rates as opposed to the plethora of places to stay near WDW. No Value resorts or campgrounds at DL either. The market will shift to the west first then back to Florida. Do you think the high room tax will affect demand though? If you rent points to stay at VGC what you pay the owner is the full cost. With VDH you’re then going to have to pay the per night tax when you arrive. That could deter some renters, and in some cases might come as an unwelcome shock to the renters if they didn’t know about it. I think that could lower the going rate per night. Yes, as long as price per point+tax=less than rack +parking, the economics of renting VDH makes sense. Rentals will definitely be shorter stays at DL. The ones deterred aren’t the target market. And there are more than enough people in the target market that still want to save $100-$200 per night on their stay. For them, its free money because they were going to spend it anyway. I’ve had VGC renters from Australia that don’t blink at $25 per point. So just a different value perspective. I can rent my direct purchased SSR points to VDH at $25 per point and offer to rebate the tax after checkout or offer to pay 1/2 the tax. Parking included is huge. Most hotels on that strip charge the tax and parking. I stayed at Doubletree for 1 night before checking into VGC last trip, and I prefer to stay with Disney when possible. Not saying I will, but an example of what direct non-owners can do at 7 months to drive demand and ask higher rental rates and not purchase 1 VDH point.
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Post by BWV Dreamin on May 15, 2023 11:45:35 GMT -5
You are in a very good position. It is a hard sell to entertain VDH at this time. I am going back and forth whether I want to purchase Poly2 direct. If it has restrictions it will be a pass for me. Since now I have some upcoming trips that will require accommodations other than a studio ( thanks grand kids LOL), my alternative at this point is to rent from a DVC owner. Yes, Im not purchasing any DVC with resale restrictions. My direct points work at 7 months and there are not any “must own” villas like Club or Value AKV. Imo, I am not interested in villas that sleep 2, not even solo trips. I almost started downsizing in fall 2019 but flinched and then Covid hit and I did not need to sell at a loss and rentals were still strong, plus I took a few extra trips myself, just to get out of the house. In the past, I said DVC was trying to shake the tree to get as many large direct owners to sell so those points would go into the restricted bucket and now I see why. Riviera, VDH and Poly will all be restricted to resale purchases and the only way around that is to buy direct or rent from an owner with unrestricted points. DVC is currently selling 2,000 points for $400,000+ with deed restrictions. Do you think the high room tax will affect demand though? If you rent points to stay at VGC what you pay the owner is the full cost. With VDH you’re then going to have to pay the per night tax when you arrive. That could deter some renters, and in some cases might come as an unwelcome shock to the renters if they didn’t know about it. I think that could lower the going rate per night. Yes, as long as price per point+tax=less than rack +parking, the economics of renting VDH makes sense. Rentals will definitely be shorter stays at DL. The ones deterred aren’t the target market. And there are more than enough people in the target market that still want to save $100-$200 per night on their stay. For them, its free money because they were going to spend it anyway. I’ve had VGC renters from Australia that don’t blink at $25 per point. So just a different value perspective. I can rent my direct purchased SSR points to VDH at $25 per point and offer to rebate the tax after checkout or offer to pay 1/2 the tax. Parking included is huge. Most hotels on that strip charge the tax and parking. I stayed at Doubletree for 1 night before checking into VGC last trip, and I prefer to stay with Disney when possible. Not saying I will, but an example of what direct non-owners can do at 7 months to drive demand and ask higher rental rates and not purchase 1 VDH point. Most excellent post. Most are not as savvy with the DVC economics as you!
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Post by SuzanneSLO on May 15, 2023 11:47:14 GMT -5
Do you think the high room tax will affect demand though? If you rent points to stay at VGC what you pay the owner is the full cost. With VDH you’re then going to have to pay the per night tax when you arrive. That could deter some renters, and in some cases might come as an unwelcome shock to the renters if they didn’t know about it. I think that could lower the going rate per night. I agree with you on this. The tax will be a killer for some. Even at Aulani it is significantly cheaper. Here the per night tax seems like a big deterrent really. Especially when there are a lot of really nice places near by that don't cost too much. I agree as well. We will have to see how this all plays out, but I agree that the TOT will have a negative impact on rental price per point. As others have stated, Disneyland hotels are odd, with many paying a premium to stay in the “bubble.” But are the same ones who want the “bubble” the ones who will book a Disneyland trip 7 months out? Right now, I haven’t found a robust rental market for DL stays. Most renters want WDW. Although VDH will add lots more inventory, it may take a while before the demand catches up and that demand assumes that there are bargains to be had. Just looking a prices, a DLH room will rent for about $700 (with taxes) for a weekend in May. For a standard view studio in May, that is 23 points per night, or just over $525/night at $20/point plus taxes. Is that enough savings to make a non refundable reservation with a stranger? Or are you going to book the Residence Inn for $300/night? Edited to add: At $25/point plus taxes, it is a break even. The only savings is parking. Which may matter if you are driving but not so much if you are flying. Further edited to add: Compare that with GCV, where a night in May runs $900 and 24 points are needed for a weekend stay at that time. At $25/point, the GCV rental is $600.
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Post by DVCQUEEN on May 15, 2023 12:30:10 GMT -5
The FB DL rental groups are very robust. And I understand your point, but I wouldn’t compare DLH May 2023 rates to VDH May 2024 points chart. I compared October 2023 rack vs October points at VDH because both will be available at that time. I rarely rent points in May. Some months have historically not been good rental months. May, July, August and January are not good rental months for DVC. But they don't need to be. I like to travel in May,I am here now. Thank you Hope! Just my musings on the situation. Its all very interesting.
Dvc was not happy about the CCV fixed weeks going for less than $20k a week and you see they fixed that!!
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Post by SuzanneSLO on May 15, 2023 12:39:36 GMT -5
The FB DL rental groups are very robust. And I understand your point, but I wouldn’t compare DLH May 2023 rates to VDH May 2024 points chart. I compared October 2023 rack vs October points at VDH because both will be available at that time. I rarely rent points in May. Some months have historically not been good rental months. May, July, August and January are not good rental months for DVC. But they don't need to be. I like to travel in May,I am here now. Thank you Hope! Just my musings on the situation. Its all very interesting. Dvc was not happy about the CCV fixed weeks going for less than $20k a week and you see they fixed that!! It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Even comparing an October standard view weekend room at DLH ($750) to to a standard view Studio (23 points), I’m not seeing a great value for an October rental. But if I’m renting points , I am all about maximizing ease and less about getting top dollar. And I have an August UY, so when I rent it’s for May, June or July.
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