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Post by rowrbazzle on Apr 14, 2024 14:10:32 GMT -5
From my understanding Disney does have a legal issue here (and a couple of others). They are allowing some of their talent to be open with their political positions but not others. So, they cannot have a separate standard based on political viewpoint. They need to either allow their talent to speak or muzzle all of them. That is the issue at stake here. Generally speaking, political opinions aren't protected - unlike things like race, age, religion, etc. You can treat conservatives and liberals differently and not be in violation of federal laws. If her employment was based in California, however, she might have a case. I guess we'll just have to see what the courts decide.
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Post by henrycpa on Apr 15, 2024 10:56:14 GMT -5
Here is her instagram post... Someone is going to have to explain to me how in any way, fashion, or form this is antisemeticc. And for the record, I would go fight for Israel right now if they needed a fat old man.
"Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors... even by children... Because history is edited, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?"
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Post by Ludwig Von Chuck on Apr 15, 2024 11:17:53 GMT -5
Here is her instagram post... Someone is going to have to explain to me how in any way, fashion, or form this is antisemeticc. And for the record, I would go fight for Israel right now if they needed a fat old man. "Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors... even by children... Because history is edited, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?" Thanks for posting. If this is the comment that caused her to get fired, then it's good context to Disney's own complaint about the unfairness of retaliation for exercising the company's right to free speech.
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Post by maxsdad on Apr 15, 2024 14:50:06 GMT -5
Tim Allen is a staunch conservative and remains a valued part of the Disney family. Carano's case is different. This article goes into detail about the chances Disney gave her to clean things up and her refusal. Pretty cut and dried insubordination and justification for firing. www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/gina-carano-interview-madalorian-firing-elon-musk-disney-1235851597/Here's a key passage (keep in mind that this is purely from Carano's perspective, Disney isn't talking. But if you read past her slant, it's obvious she was given multiple chances to remain with the show): She was again called a racist when she tweeted a meme featuring drawings of businessmen seated around a Monopoly board weighed down with gold. The table is held up on the backs of naked Black men. “All we have to do is stand and their little game is over,” the caption reads. The image — also tweeted by Ice Cube — was taken from a notorious London mural featuring antisemitic caricatures of businessmen. “I had no idea,” Carano says of the anti-Jewish implications, and points out that the version she posted had been altered to downplay the men’s stereotypical features. She thought the message was one of the have-nots rising up against the haves. “But stuff like that I deleted, because I don’t want to be associated with anything like that,” she adds.
Disney and Lucasfilm watched these controversies unfold with concern. But it was the “boop/bop/beep” incident that launched what she calls a “massive meltdown” behind the scenes. It erupted after Carano, resisting online pressure to announce her pronouns in solidarity with the trans rights movement, put the words “boop/bop/beep” in her Twitter bio. Carano maintains she was never trying to mock the trans community. “I’ve had male publicists with the same size feet as me and we run around in my shoes and try on my dresses,” she says. “I was just fed up. So I was like, ‘Fine, I’ll put something in my bio: ‘boop/bop/beep.’ I thought it was cute, like R2-D2.”
The Lucasfilm and Disney HR department did not find it the least bit cute and subjected Carano to what she describes as a “reeducation camp.” It began with a Zoom meeting with two transgender representatives from GLAAD. “It was a lovely conversation,” Carano says. “They said, ‘Oh, darling, I’m so sorry you stepped on a land mine.’ I listened to them and they listened to me. It was sweet and it was fun, even.” But she says the company also wanted an apology. “You know, one of those statements that almost makes you roll your eyes,” Carano says. HR wanted her publicists to craft it; she offered to write her own. After several days of back-and-forth edits, Lucasfilm ultimately felt the final statement wasn’t contrite enough and abandoned the effort. They then submitted Carano to media training. “She kept her sunglasses on, came into my house and sat all the way across the room,” she recalls of her media trainer. Eventually, Carano coaxed the woman onto the couch “and then we started talking just normally. She said something I found very interesting. She said, ‘It’s not what you say — it’s how it’s interpreted. You’re giving very logical responses to an emotional reaction.’ ”
According to Carano, there were no more media training sessions after that — just, she claims, an order to attend a Zoom meeting along with 45 members of Disney and Lucasfilm’s LGBTQ affinity group, which she says she declined. “I said, ‘Can I take five or six of these trans leaders to dinner? I’ll pay for it,’ ” Carano says. “They denied that. They were very upset. They said the meeting would be a ‘litmus test.’ I’m not even sure what that means.”
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Post by brp on Apr 16, 2024 9:34:30 GMT -5
They said the meeting would be a ‘litmus test.’ I’m not even sure what that means.” No surprise here.
And the post above obviously under represents what she did to get fired. It Was clearly more than just that statement, offensive as it is on its own.
Cheers.
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Post by helenabear on Apr 16, 2024 10:03:06 GMT -5
Here is her instagram post... Someone is going to have to explain to me how in any way, fashion, or form this is antisemeticc. And for the record, I would go fight for Israel right now if they needed a fat old man. "Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors... even by children... Because history is edited, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?" Thanks for posting. If this is the comment that caused her to get fired, then it's good context to Disney's own complaint about the unfairness of retaliation for exercising the company's right to free speech. Nope, that wasn't all. Missing parts of her posts she got slammed for... www.heyalma.com/gina-caranos-antisemitism-controversy-explained/
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Post by rigby on Apr 16, 2024 11:36:35 GMT -5
Great article. Thanks for posting. I really didn’t think anyone would need it spelled out like that for them but I guess I was wrong. Thought I explained it earlier in this thread but I think sometimes you only see what you want to see. Loved the last line! “We wish we didn’t know who Gina Carano is, but here we are.”
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Post by Ludwig Von Chuck on Apr 16, 2024 12:24:55 GMT -5
Here is her instagram post... Someone is going to have to explain to me how in any way, fashion, or form this is antisemeticc. And for the record, I would go fight for Israel right now if they needed a fat old man. "Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors... even by children... Because history is edited, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?" Thanks for posting. If this is the comment that caused her to get fired, then it's good context to Disney's own complaint about the unfairness of retaliation for exercising the company's right to free speech. Nope, that wasn't all. Missing parts of her posts she got slammed for... www.heyalma.com/gina-caranos-antisemitism-controversy-explained/Ah
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